return my $27 and then crumble into dust, old man

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      It’s funny how libs turn into world peace fighting historians overnight completely ignoring what has been happening for years without them knowing or caring

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      Personally I think a solution where they negotiate a two state solution is more realistic as Israel aren’t going to just all agree to go away because they don’t want to and no one can make them.

      What they need is an Israeli good friday agreement

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        The scenario where Israel agrees to a two state solution that gives a Palestinian state the slightest chance to succeed (like access to freshwater or international trade) is not realistic either and hasn’t been for a long time.

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            I don’t actually want a two state solution, I want all of Palestine in Palestinian hands. But if I thought there was the slightest chance of a two state agreement that gave Palestinians a chance to form a viable state I would call for that. There isn’t, so of the two wildly unrealistic options I’m going to call for the one I actually want instead of the one which is “more” realistic, whatever that means if you know it is not going to happen.

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              Eventually Israel are going to have to give in something because there are about as many Palestinians as Israelis so they can’t maintain this level of oppression forever. They also can’t put the palestinians in death camps because of the level of arab backlash they would face (pre Ukraine I also would have said this might upset western support) so the eventual result will have to be some kind of two state solution as things can’t be unsustainable forever. I hope that’s now instead of a hundred years from now. But in Israel the government are all hardline fanatics so them taking the obvious solution seems unlikely. Western support for Israel obviously extends the time they can maintain the current state of affairs as well

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                They can do, and are doing, a slow genocide. And even that phrasing depends heavily on what you consider “slow”. That will absolutely turn hot before they agree to anything even approaching a realistic solution. In 2018 they killed about 1.5 % of the Palestinian population for peacefully protesting. This year will be much worse. But if we just disagree about how realistic certain unpalatable compromises are and not about how morally all of Palestine should belong to Palestine we can just agree to disagree.

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    Yes, it’s heartbreaking that it turned violent. I can sympathize with the illegally occupied people who have their desire to be released from the world’s largest open air prison with God knows how many crimes against humanity getting passed over by news cycles. “It must end now” is so myopic for the righteous anger of these people speaking the language of the unheard. It is clearly and visibly a reaction to their conditions and their conditions are unjustifiable. If anything must end now, it’s the illegal occupation.

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      Would like to point out that the USA prison system has imprisoned around 7 million people currently living, Palestine has a population of 5 million

      Just for comparison on the worlds largest prisons

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      Yeah, I view it as a tragedy that is overwhelmingly the fault of the occupiers for creating this existential desperation, like how when you fuck the poor with policy the blood from resulting crime is on your hands at least as much as any of the criminals you put in that position (obviously fuck profiteers who are just exploiting the situation)

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      They hate violence by any means but they’ll gladly support military support against the Palestinians. Absolutely zero thinking and logic

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    It’s truly baffling to me that anyone who suggests they believe in some kind of left politics would make a statement like this. Do they not reflect on what it must be like? Set aside that this is the only home many Palestinians have known, they’re literally stuck there. They’re blockaded and fenced in and coralled by military outposts, and not even the arab states that support them want them as refugees. Nobody does, nobody wants them. They’re entirely fucking stuck there, and they’re blockaded and dirt poor and at the mercy of people with openly genocidal intentions against them. I hate today because I really don’t want to spend all of my time looking at this shit, but it is hard to look away. How can a person so callously “condemn” the Palestinians that choose violence, regardless of who it is pointed at, when THAT is their condition. They’re in a hopeless situation and the big liberal democracies all talk about them like criminals for cynical geopolitical reasons. How maddening must that be?

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    You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

    But tbh this is unsurprising, he’s always had sus foreign policy and it’s been known that he is not good on Israel-palestine.