Fresno, California, has become the second city in the U.S. to ban caste discrimination, after the City Council voted unanimously on Thursday to incorporate two new protected categories into its municipal code.

Discrimination based on caste or indigeneity is now illegal in the city.

In the midst of a nationwide civil rights movement, led mostly by South Asian Americans who come from caste-oppressed backgrounds, local governments, business and institutions have been contending with the caste question. In February, Seattle became the first U.S. city to explicitly ban caste discrimination, and in California, a bill currently on Gov. Gavin Newsom’s desk would do the same statewide.

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    9 months ago

    The whole acceptance of cultural differences is important, but within reasonable limits. Discrimination of any type should not be tolerated.

    Another one that always bugs me is: Middle Eastern guy marries a young lady. BAD! (And it is). Indian dude living in California in the 21st century marries a lady that was chosen by his mother and her parents to be his wife (she had little say in it): That’s a cultural thing and we accept it…

    Why?

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      That’s not my understanding about how modern arranged marriages most commonly happen in the Indian community. For the most part it isn’t really that different from a blind date that your parents arranged and participate in overseeing. Many people go through several arrangements before they find someone suitable to marry. Also many people work within both the westernized system of dating and the arranged system until they find a partner. For the vast majority of modern arrangements both parties have broad latitude to back out.

      Only in the most conservative and extreme households do people receive coercive pressure to marry against their will. You’ll find that more in rural India than among expatriates.

      Also many men and women still prefer the arranged system as they find dating cumbersome, awkward or time consuming.

      The reason you should accept other cultures is partly because of how much ignorance and presumptive reasoning your carry into you decision making process…

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      Arranged marriages seem to have a very high rate of success and satisfaction. Why trade that for the typical marriage, which in the US is about as good as a coin flip for its chances of success?

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-science-behind-behavior/201511/why-are-so-many-indian-arranged-marriages-successful

      Despite doubling in urban areas since 2007[1], only about 1 in 100 Indian marriages end in divorce.[2] This is one of the lowest divorce rates in the world. Even more impressive is the second statistic, about the high levels of satisfaction reported by those in arranged marriages over the longer term.

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          Marriage and freedom don’t really go together. Marriage is making a choice to give up the freedom of being with anyone, to be with one person who isn’t going to run away when things get hard, like all those free people would/could.

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          Is there any law in the US mandating arranged marriages? If not, then it reinforces the freedom we have here, including the freedom to marry someone we have never met because our mother tells us to.

          To those of us who grew up outside that culture it seems absurd, but to people from India living in the US who also want to maintain a connection to their culture, I won’t tell them they can’t do it. Having the government tell them who they can’t marry is just as misguided as telling them who they can marry. Your mother has a different, non-governmental influence over the decision, though.

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        That’s more due to lack of women rights and cultural of discrimination. There is little resources and alternative for many of the women in arranged marriage. Just because cultural and societal road blocks married prevent divorce, doesn’t mean it’s a better.

        The marriage assumptions has been debunked as linking to happiness. You should just look directly at human rights indexes and happiness survey instead.

        Unless your whole ideology was people must marry, then that’s a different discussion.

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          The article also mentions Indian-American couples and some info around that. It wasn’t as clearly stated, but it didn’t sound like it faired worse than traditional American marriage, and the women should have free will in the US.

          I’m not married, so my ideology really can’t be that one must marry, or else that would leave me in a weird spot. But I can ignore statistics, that married people live longer and a generally happier, especially as they get older. As I enter middle age, the idea of growing old alone sounds awful and I have a very real fear of dying over something really stupid, because there is no one around to notice I’m dying and get help. The stress around that is real.