• Lovely_sombrero [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Not directly related to this, but I just remembered when the cops shot up that UPS truck with the hostage inside. The hostage was killed by the cops and UPS apologized to the cops.

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Same thing with the “bystander effect” as well which was just the New York Times running cover for the police making the murder of Kitty Genovese even worse for her friends

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        My understanding was that it had to do not so much with defection as much as POWs being anti-war and unwilling to fight when they were returned due to DPRK/PRC propaganda. Of course, the propaganda was just a tour of Pyongyang and other firsthand witness of the destruction their side caused.

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    2 years ago

    FYI, posting Discord links with ?ex in the middle will expire at some point, so in future you should copy/save the image and reupload to Hexbear so the post is preserved for future viewers.

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    We need a leftist version of /r/CuratedTumblr

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      I do try and spread communist ideas on that subreddit from time to time (it’s one of the last couple subreddits I can bring myself to go on nowadays) but it’s often frustrating to see people who kinda get it but can’t make it past the last few hurdles.

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        People will be more convinced of things they come up with it themselves, I think the guy you talked to maybe not there yet, but couple of passers-by could get it.

  • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Also, in absolutely any hostage situation you SHOULD develop Stockholm Syndrome. Trying to convince your kidnappers that you are on their side is just a healthy survival instinct doing exactly what it is supposed to, even if you live in a fantasy land where the cops are all good guys who care only about your safety. This is a bit like giving the desire to leave a burning building a name and trying to tell people that it is a mental disorder.

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      Convincing your kidnappers you’re on their side is not stockholm syndrome.

      Actually coming to believe it yourself despite the kidnappers not actually valuing your life, against your own material best interests, is the traditional definition.

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        Sure, but the traditional definition is based on a real hostage situation and it is specifically based on how those people acted while still being held hostage. Once they were free it turned out that they didn’t actually enjoy being held hostage and didn’t love their captors. Convincing their kidnappers that they were on their side is pretty much all they were doing.

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    Reminds me of when the Ned Kelly gang had taken hostages in their last shootout and they let them go only for the police to open fire on the hostages who then fled back to the gang cause they trusted them more

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    Bus 174 is a documentary about street kid who took a bus hostage. Throughout they make references to a deadly outcome and when they got to that part, it turns out the police fucked up and caused the deaths.

    It’s a good documentary despite it being made by the same guy who went on to make narcos.