Biden says ‘you deserve what you’ve earned, and you’ve earned a hell of a lot more than you’re getting paid’ in first picket line visit by sitting US president
You’re believing a narrative agenda in this case, as the media tried to hide this fact because they don’t want a pro-union guy in office. They want all the union people to think he’s an enemy so you don’t vote.
The Biden admin got it done for ALL 4 major railways too!
After delegitimizing strikes (in the US) universally, Biden got them 4 days (instead of 15) and failed to address any other grievances of the workers. I wouldn’t say that equation balances out, exactly.
I’m not a communist, but that’s carefully worded bullshit for “broke a strike”. Credit is absolutely due for his walking with the UAW now, but the only credit due for the railworkers is bad credit. He didn’t get them what they wanted, he got them some of what he wanted, and worker power isn’t about other people getting you things, it’s about being able to demand them for yourself.
Sure man. I’m not a leftist and I’m a reliable (albeit meaningless) vote for Biden, but keep telling yourself that being strongly pro-labor means people are voting for Republicans. Pretending bad things are good doesn’t actually work. Biden was bad in the rail strike and he’s better now.
Hopefully going forward his (and others’) support for labor will be unwavering.
I hate how nuance goes out the window in these discussions sometimes. I’d rate Biden’s actions on the rail strike as “lukewarm”. Think about it from a moderate perspective. It makes sense to avoid a rail shutdown, because that would cause a lot of harm to a lot of people, working class and otherwise. Biden wants to make sure the economy keeps moving so people can keep making money. This is his best shot at “harm reduction”, and he did more than was expected of him. That’s the point. I can’t imagine having to be in that position to try and make these decisions to make everyone happy. And, for what it’s worth, 4-7 paid sick days (dependent on the employer) is pretty standard for most jobs in the US. I’d say that while this was pretty lukewarm, it’s still overall a good thing and could lay the rails so to speak for future improvements as well.
Why? “You can’t force people to work” isn’t a position to compromise on. He didn’t have to please everyone, he only had to stick up for the inherent rights of workers. I don’t have any right to tell you to work, even if you not working would harm me. It’s not a position you need to compromise with me on. It’s entirely right and good for at least one party to unequivocally side with labor.
And if a strike is just unacceptable, force the labor-friendly contract and then nationalize the railroads. People act like it was the workers against the economy when the whole issue came about because a private for-profit entity wasn’t willing to give them sick days. There were two parties that could have been made to sacrifice for the greater good, but for some reason people think the only option was screwing the workers.
And, for what it’s worth, 4-7 paid sick days (dependent on the employer) is pretty standard for most jobs in the US.
“Well X job also gets 4” is irrelevant. Some jobs are less safety critical so an employee working sick won’t endanger others and other jobs should be striking for more. It’s to the workers themselves to decide what a reasonable contract is.
…it’s still overall a good thing and could lay the rails so to speak for future improvements as well.
Except breaking a strike means the employers don’t need to fear one as much in future negotiations. The likelihood of Congressional intervention was reportedly a factor in their willingness to take a demand of 15 days and counter with 1. Next time around they’ll be even more confident that they don’t need to listen to worker demands. Establishing a “too big to strike” norm means their unions are kind of just for show, because work stoppages are the primary tool unions have to negotiate.
I appreciate you taking so much time to reply and write out this well thought out response, but I’m not really even that far off from your views to begin with. I don’t know if this is a good use of your time.
I agree the railroads should be nationalized. I have no sympathy for the rich.
No no no no… you can say that about legislation. You cannot say it about forcing them to end a strike then getting them crumbs as a consolation.
They weren’t asking the government to ‘get’ them anything. They were striking and demanding it themselves. The only fucking response from liberals in that case SHOULD have been to stay the fuck out of it so the workers can get things on their terms.
Online communists frequently let perfect be the enemy of the good. Many of the people yelling at you online (not all!) have never participated in any form of boots-on-the-ground activism, never done mutual aid, never attended a protest. Given that a solid majority of these people who get very loud online are slacktivists, I wouldn’t worry too much about what people say online. Go out there, do real praxis, and advocate for what’s right.
He did not, they wanted 15 days, he got them 4. Congressional Democrats tried to get them 7. Don’t make provably false assertions. The UAW stuff is great, but blowing smoke up people’s asses about how the rail strike breaking was actually no big deal is much worse than just acknowledging it and saying Biden is doing better now.
The negative is that the union wasn’t allowed to show its power, and actually had its power reduced by this. They shouldn’t need a savior to come in and do it for them, they should be able to advocate for themselves and get it done themselves, showing the working class our power.
That said, this is a good compromise which works better for more people, in this case.
The only way we’re going to change it is with unions. I work in tech. There are no unions in tech. It just simply does not happen much. I tried to unionize my workplace and was met with such severe apathy I only got 8 out of 50 people on board.
That pressure, plus the IBEW’s ongoing efforts, is paying off at last. The IBEW and BNSF Railway reached an agreement April 20 to grant members four short-notice, paid sick days, with the ability to also convert up to three personal days to sick days. The union reached similar understandings with CSX and Union Pacific on March 22, and with Norfolk Southern on March 10. Unused sick time at the end of a year can be paid out or rolled into a worker’s 401(k) retirement account.
Thank you! That is indeed shitty. I’d say it’s a bit short of an L though, and I hope Biden’s recent actions show that he’s being more serious about workers’ rights. His NLRB has been doing a lot lately.
From what other people have posted when I asked about this in the past, it appears that it was a short-term stop, and they actually continued to negotiate and got results at a later time.
Yes, but you’ll get defenders who believed the asshole union rep that was against the strike in the first place saying he came through.
He didn’t. They didn’t get what they wanted, they got terms that had already been rejected by the majority and many of them still don’t have sick days despite the misleading headlines saying otherwise.
Also, sick days are far from the only problem worth striking for. Workers threatened to strike over that points system, but the railway sued them over that and won, so they’re not “allowed” to strike over that now. Bet they would’ve appreciated Biden working for them with that, but I guess it wasn’t an issue for him.
Didn’t anti-union Biden fuck over the rail workers?
https://crooksandliars.com/2023/06/sick-days-biden-administration-gets-it
You’re believing a narrative agenda in this case, as the media tried to hide this fact because they don’t want a pro-union guy in office. They want all the union people to think he’s an enemy so you don’t vote.
The Biden admin got it done for ALL 4 major railways too!
Thanks for posting, I still believed the top comment
After delegitimizing strikes (in the US) universally, Biden got them 4 days (instead of 15) and failed to address any other grievances of the workers. I wouldn’t say that equation balances out, exactly.
No problem no problem
Dont believe, its not accurate.
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I’m not a communist, but that’s carefully worded bullshit for “broke a strike”. Credit is absolutely due for his walking with the UAW now, but the only credit due for the railworkers is bad credit. He didn’t get them what they wanted, he got them some of what he wanted, and worker power isn’t about other people getting you things, it’s about being able to demand them for yourself.
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Leftists: did you get us everything we want, immediately and without reservation?
Liberals: no but I got a lot and I’m working towards–
Leftists: FUCK YOU GO DIE IN A FIRE I’M VOTING FOR LITERAL FASCISM NOW
Sure man. I’m not a leftist and I’m a reliable (albeit meaningless) vote for Biden, but keep telling yourself that being strongly pro-labor means people are voting for Republicans. Pretending bad things are good doesn’t actually work. Biden was bad in the rail strike and he’s better now. Hopefully going forward his (and others’) support for labor will be unwavering.
I hate how nuance goes out the window in these discussions sometimes. I’d rate Biden’s actions on the rail strike as “lukewarm”. Think about it from a moderate perspective. It makes sense to avoid a rail shutdown, because that would cause a lot of harm to a lot of people, working class and otherwise. Biden wants to make sure the economy keeps moving so people can keep making money. This is his best shot at “harm reduction”, and he did more than was expected of him. That’s the point. I can’t imagine having to be in that position to try and make these decisions to make everyone happy. And, for what it’s worth, 4-7 paid sick days (dependent on the employer) is pretty standard for most jobs in the US. I’d say that while this was pretty lukewarm, it’s still overall a good thing and could lay the rails so to speak for future improvements as well.
Why? “You can’t force people to work” isn’t a position to compromise on. He didn’t have to please everyone, he only had to stick up for the inherent rights of workers. I don’t have any right to tell you to work, even if you not working would harm me. It’s not a position you need to compromise with me on. It’s entirely right and good for at least one party to unequivocally side with labor.
And if a strike is just unacceptable, force the labor-friendly contract and then nationalize the railroads. People act like it was the workers against the economy when the whole issue came about because a private for-profit entity wasn’t willing to give them sick days. There were two parties that could have been made to sacrifice for the greater good, but for some reason people think the only option was screwing the workers.
“Well X job also gets 4” is irrelevant. Some jobs are less safety critical so an employee working sick won’t endanger others and other jobs should be striking for more. It’s to the workers themselves to decide what a reasonable contract is.
Except breaking a strike means the employers don’t need to fear one as much in future negotiations. The likelihood of Congressional intervention was reportedly a factor in their willingness to take a demand of 15 days and counter with 1. Next time around they’ll be even more confident that they don’t need to listen to worker demands. Establishing a “too big to strike” norm means their unions are kind of just for show, because work stoppages are the primary tool unions have to negotiate.
I appreciate you taking so much time to reply and write out this well thought out response, but I’m not really even that far off from your views to begin with. I don’t know if this is a good use of your time.
I agree the railroads should be nationalized. I have no sympathy for the rich.
No no no no… you can say that about legislation. You cannot say it about forcing them to end a strike then getting them crumbs as a consolation.
They weren’t asking the government to ‘get’ them anything. They were striking and demanding it themselves. The only fucking response from liberals in that case SHOULD have been to stay the fuck out of it so the workers can get things on their terms.
Semantics. The point is that “good” isn’t good enough for leftists, and anything that isn’t good enough is Bad
Online communists frequently let perfect be the enemy of the good. Many of the people yelling at you online (not all!) have never participated in any form of boots-on-the-ground activism, never done mutual aid, never attended a protest. Given that a solid majority of these people who get very loud online are slacktivists, I wouldn’t worry too much about what people say online. Go out there, do real praxis, and advocate for what’s right.
Excellent reminder, thank you
He got them some, broke the strike, and then got the rest after.
He did not, they wanted 15 days, he got them 4. Congressional Democrats tried to get them 7. Don’t make provably false assertions. The UAW stuff is great, but blowing smoke up people’s asses about how the rail strike breaking was actually no big deal is much worse than just acknowledging it and saying Biden is doing better now.
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The negative is that the union wasn’t allowed to show its power, and actually had its power reduced by this. They shouldn’t need a savior to come in and do it for them, they should be able to advocate for themselves and get it done themselves, showing the working class our power.
That said, this is a good compromise which works better for more people, in this case.
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sweats in 18 PTO days per year for sick or otherwise
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The only way we’re going to change it is with unions. I work in tech. There are no unions in tech. It just simply does not happen much. I tried to unionize my workplace and was met with such severe apathy I only got 8 out of 50 people on board.
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Wow he got them 4 whole sick days!
They were demanding 15 days.
Fuck anti-union Biden.
Are you sure about that? I’m pretty sure they were specifically demanding 4 sick days. You should provide a source for your claim.
Yes, I am sure.
https://archive.md/M2xmd
Thank you! That is indeed shitty. I’d say it’s a bit short of an L though, and I hope Biden’s recent actions show that he’s being more serious about workers’ rights. His NLRB has been doing a lot lately.
From what other people have posted when I asked about this in the past, it appears that it was a short-term stop, and they actually continued to negotiate and got results at a later time.
Yes, but you’ll get defenders who believed the asshole union rep that was against the strike in the first place saying he came through.
He didn’t. They didn’t get what they wanted, they got terms that had already been rejected by the majority and many of them still don’t have sick days despite the misleading headlines saying otherwise.
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They were asking for 15. They would have been happy with 7. They were given 4.
And IBEW voted for getting only 1.
Also, sick days are far from the only problem worth striking for. Workers threatened to strike over that points system, but the railway sued them over that and won, so they’re not “allowed” to strike over that now. Bet they would’ve appreciated Biden working for them with that, but I guess it wasn’t an issue for him.
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Tbh, that’s an extraordinarily low bar, and does little to nothing to make up for breaking the strike in the first place, imo.
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