Biden says ‘you deserve what you’ve earned, and you’ve earned a hell of a lot more than you’re getting paid’ in first picket line visit by sitting US president
Sure man. I’m not a leftist and I’m a reliable (albeit meaningless) vote for Biden, but keep telling yourself that being strongly pro-labor means people are voting for Republicans. Pretending bad things are good doesn’t actually work. Biden was bad in the rail strike and he’s better now.
Hopefully going forward his (and others’) support for labor will be unwavering.
I hate how nuance goes out the window in these discussions sometimes. I’d rate Biden’s actions on the rail strike as “lukewarm”. Think about it from a moderate perspective. It makes sense to avoid a rail shutdown, because that would cause a lot of harm to a lot of people, working class and otherwise. Biden wants to make sure the economy keeps moving so people can keep making money. This is his best shot at “harm reduction”, and he did more than was expected of him. That’s the point. I can’t imagine having to be in that position to try and make these decisions to make everyone happy. And, for what it’s worth, 4-7 paid sick days (dependent on the employer) is pretty standard for most jobs in the US. I’d say that while this was pretty lukewarm, it’s still overall a good thing and could lay the rails so to speak for future improvements as well.
Why? “You can’t force people to work” isn’t a position to compromise on. He didn’t have to please everyone, he only had to stick up for the inherent rights of workers. I don’t have any right to tell you to work, even if you not working would harm me. It’s not a position you need to compromise with me on. It’s entirely right and good for at least one party to unequivocally side with labor.
And if a strike is just unacceptable, force the labor-friendly contract and then nationalize the railroads. People act like it was the workers against the economy when the whole issue came about because a private for-profit entity wasn’t willing to give them sick days. There were two parties that could have been made to sacrifice for the greater good, but for some reason people think the only option was screwing the workers.
And, for what it’s worth, 4-7 paid sick days (dependent on the employer) is pretty standard for most jobs in the US.
“Well X job also gets 4” is irrelevant. Some jobs are less safety critical so an employee working sick won’t endanger others and other jobs should be striking for more. It’s to the workers themselves to decide what a reasonable contract is.
…it’s still overall a good thing and could lay the rails so to speak for future improvements as well.
Except breaking a strike means the employers don’t need to fear one as much in future negotiations. The likelihood of Congressional intervention was reportedly a factor in their willingness to take a demand of 15 days and counter with 1. Next time around they’ll be even more confident that they don’t need to listen to worker demands. Establishing a “too big to strike” norm means their unions are kind of just for show, because work stoppages are the primary tool unions have to negotiate.
I appreciate you taking so much time to reply and write out this well thought out response, but I’m not really even that far off from your views to begin with. I don’t know if this is a good use of your time.
I agree the railroads should be nationalized. I have no sympathy for the rich.
No no no no… you can say that about legislation. You cannot say it about forcing them to end a strike then getting them crumbs as a consolation.
They weren’t asking the government to ‘get’ them anything. They were striking and demanding it themselves. The only fucking response from liberals in that case SHOULD have been to stay the fuck out of it so the workers can get things on their terms.
Online communists frequently let perfect be the enemy of the good. Many of the people yelling at you online (not all!) have never participated in any form of boots-on-the-ground activism, never done mutual aid, never attended a protest. Given that a solid majority of these people who get very loud online are slacktivists, I wouldn’t worry too much about what people say online. Go out there, do real praxis, and advocate for what’s right.
Leftists: did you get us everything we want, immediately and without reservation?
Liberals: no but I got a lot and I’m working towards–
Leftists: FUCK YOU GO DIE IN A FIRE I’M VOTING FOR LITERAL FASCISM NOW
Sure man. I’m not a leftist and I’m a reliable (albeit meaningless) vote for Biden, but keep telling yourself that being strongly pro-labor means people are voting for Republicans. Pretending bad things are good doesn’t actually work. Biden was bad in the rail strike and he’s better now. Hopefully going forward his (and others’) support for labor will be unwavering.
I hate how nuance goes out the window in these discussions sometimes. I’d rate Biden’s actions on the rail strike as “lukewarm”. Think about it from a moderate perspective. It makes sense to avoid a rail shutdown, because that would cause a lot of harm to a lot of people, working class and otherwise. Biden wants to make sure the economy keeps moving so people can keep making money. This is his best shot at “harm reduction”, and he did more than was expected of him. That’s the point. I can’t imagine having to be in that position to try and make these decisions to make everyone happy. And, for what it’s worth, 4-7 paid sick days (dependent on the employer) is pretty standard for most jobs in the US. I’d say that while this was pretty lukewarm, it’s still overall a good thing and could lay the rails so to speak for future improvements as well.
Why? “You can’t force people to work” isn’t a position to compromise on. He didn’t have to please everyone, he only had to stick up for the inherent rights of workers. I don’t have any right to tell you to work, even if you not working would harm me. It’s not a position you need to compromise with me on. It’s entirely right and good for at least one party to unequivocally side with labor.
And if a strike is just unacceptable, force the labor-friendly contract and then nationalize the railroads. People act like it was the workers against the economy when the whole issue came about because a private for-profit entity wasn’t willing to give them sick days. There were two parties that could have been made to sacrifice for the greater good, but for some reason people think the only option was screwing the workers.
“Well X job also gets 4” is irrelevant. Some jobs are less safety critical so an employee working sick won’t endanger others and other jobs should be striking for more. It’s to the workers themselves to decide what a reasonable contract is.
Except breaking a strike means the employers don’t need to fear one as much in future negotiations. The likelihood of Congressional intervention was reportedly a factor in their willingness to take a demand of 15 days and counter with 1. Next time around they’ll be even more confident that they don’t need to listen to worker demands. Establishing a “too big to strike” norm means their unions are kind of just for show, because work stoppages are the primary tool unions have to negotiate.
I appreciate you taking so much time to reply and write out this well thought out response, but I’m not really even that far off from your views to begin with. I don’t know if this is a good use of your time.
I agree the railroads should be nationalized. I have no sympathy for the rich.
No no no no… you can say that about legislation. You cannot say it about forcing them to end a strike then getting them crumbs as a consolation.
They weren’t asking the government to ‘get’ them anything. They were striking and demanding it themselves. The only fucking response from liberals in that case SHOULD have been to stay the fuck out of it so the workers can get things on their terms.
Semantics. The point is that “good” isn’t good enough for leftists, and anything that isn’t good enough is Bad
Online communists frequently let perfect be the enemy of the good. Many of the people yelling at you online (not all!) have never participated in any form of boots-on-the-ground activism, never done mutual aid, never attended a protest. Given that a solid majority of these people who get very loud online are slacktivists, I wouldn’t worry too much about what people say online. Go out there, do real praxis, and advocate for what’s right.
Excellent reminder, thank you