Note: Ambrosius is the guy who nukes revachol 22 years after the end of Disco Elysium

        • TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net
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          the deserter was literally addicted to the phasmid’s mind control chemicals, after you photograph it and it leaves, the deserter becomes entirely unresponsive and incapable of even basic speech, just shuddering if you touch him.

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            Yeah, I know, but he’s spent 50 years being the Union Bosses’ assassin and he was already fucked up from fleeing his comrades. It’s not just the phasmid.

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    I have to assume that its meant to be like, Kim.

    But Kim is sadly a moralist coward, so despite his personal heroism in the field, he is not truly politically heroic, the only heroism that matters.

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        Wasn’t Klassje a ghoul herself? Not that she deserved to be arrested for collaborating in the extrajudicial lynching of a Pinkerton mercenary (which she didn’t do anyway but that is what she was suspected for at that point).

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          She was a ghoul but the thing is that she did want out of it and at the time she was in Martinaise she was kind of having parallels with Harry in that she was trying to lose herself in drugs to forget her past. She was also on the run from the moralintern herself. AFAIK if you do arrest her she will be killed while in jail (you also have an option to give her to the sunday friend!!). Honestly I would say within the time of the story she’s easily no worse than HDB. The only ‘bad’ thing she does is having sex with the mercenary and then lying to the cops about it. She does leave you a parting gift if you don’t arrest her: a ballistics analysis showing the shot came from the island.

          • She wasn’t a collaborator with the occupying force of the moralintern, I think is the thing that made me want to let her go. There’s no way to arrest her that isn’t fundamentally performing your duty as an officer of capital. You can either arrest her outright or maybe kinda arrest her in a way that may have a bureaucratic loophole (spoiler: it doesn’t). In the end, there’s no way to have her answer before the people she harmed. There is no justice to be served.

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      If you pass the check to dance in the church and then pass the shivers check you will speak with the spirit of the city who tells you the city will be nuked in 22 years. The person who does the nuking Ambrosius is never directly mentioned in the game though, so we only find out it was ambrosius in the book yeah.

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    It’s that old deserter guy you arrest at the end. Through the whole dialogue, as he’s calling me a lib, I feel it hard.

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      It’s that old deserter guy you arrest at the end. Through the whole dialogue, as he’s calling me a lib, I feel it hard.

      Well then we could talk about what heroic means. In my opinion for a communist, especially one in prolonged struggle means that they have to see how the material conditions are. If you are not connected to a movement then your action is likely not really furthering the communist movement. His disdain for what came after the failed revolution is fair, but doesn’t make him right. He is not the hero in the story either.

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        He even says that there’s in practical terms little physical threat to him should he choose to return to society, so his decision to withhold his knowledge and experience from the movements that actually do exist is selfish, and even if much of his motivation for that is trauma and resentment, he also holds some seriously reactionary views that play into that.

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          so his decision to withhold his knowledge and experience from the movements that actually do exist is selfish,

          and even if much of his motivation for that is trauma and resentment, he also holds some seriously reactionary views that play into that.

          Both important points. The first one I actually not acknowledge itself enough till now. Thanks for your point of view!

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      spoiler The guy who just murdered a rando because he felt like shit about deserting? No, for all his mean words he did fuck all. Union boss dude actually had a plan and shit to get the moralists to fuck off which worked.:::
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      SHIT YOURE RIGHT RODIONOV is actually the elysium equivalent of posadas… he therozied you could use the pale as a weapon against the bourgeoisie… like ambrosius is just a normal fascist but rodionov was a believer in communism…