• bobman@unilem.org
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    Jeez, that should be the headline.

    “Facebook exposes messages that land a mom in prison for giving her daughter abortion pills.”

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        E2E is not enough. You can still be subpoenaed for Signal messages if they aren’t auto-deleted. Just ask all the folks involved in the trump indictments.

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      “Facebook exposes messages that land a mom in prison for giving her daughter health care treatment.”

      Pregnancy is a medical condition with possibly lethal health risks and abortion is a treatment for those that don’t accept those risks.

      Abortion is health care.

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        Eh. I don’t see why we need to use vague terms when we could use specific ones.

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          Because people need to think of abortions access as health care. The same as cancer treatment, diagnosing illness, or getting stitches. And that starts with messaging.

          Abortion is health care.

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            That’s fine, but it seems disingenuous to use the general term ‘health care’ when you could be more specific with what that health care actually is.

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              I don’t think it’s disingenuous at all. It’s treatment for a woman’s health. Calling out people for disapproving of health care is half the point.

              Abortion is health care.

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                I mean, you literally said to call it by a general term to get people to think a certain way about it.

                I feel like we should tell them the specific information and let them make their own decision instead of resorting to sly tricks like this.

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                  It’s not a trick. It’s health care. People should think of it as health care because it is.

                  Abortion is health care.

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                    Alright. I don’t think you’re going to see my point so I’ll just duck out.

                    Have a nice day.

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                Killing a 6 month premie isn’t abortion though. That fetus’ bodily autonomy was violated.

                Agreed that abortion is Healthcare. There’s also a tipping point where it’s no longer a cluster of cells, right?

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                  First off, when you say “isn’t abortion” it kinda sounds like you’re talking about mythical post-birth murder, which doesn’t happen and would be illegal. Not sure if you’re talking about that or not, but I thought I’d preface.

                  Aside from that, when it’s “viable” it’s usually just induced labor. If it’s not induced, there’s a reason why they have to take more extreme measures.

                  Aside from that, if you give an inch they take a mile. I would rather doctors and their patient be able to do what’s best for the patient’s health than to let the government interfere.