I actually like Linux, but I’m considering just blocking all the Linux communities because it’s so incredibly boring to just see you guys circle jerking all day long. We get it. We all get it.
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I came here hoping to see gnome and X11 memes. You know, actual Linux memes.
Instead I found “Windows bad” circlejerking.
Ubuntu bad?
Distros and package managers are bad. Reject modernity, embrace compiled source. Burn Lennart Pottering at the stake!
Go gentoo and get both!
Gentoo and Arch is for wanabees, the hardcore use Linux From Scratch as their distro.
These are the memes I come for
You need a book to tell you how to install Linux? I guess we were all a noob at one point.
I don’t think the bank will accept “I need to install Firefox” as the reason for a loan to pay my electricity bill.
Joking aside though, Gentoo was a great experience for me to learn how Linux actually works.
Can’t forget to bash snaps too!
Systemd also bad!
No, I’m on All, but a far higher percentage than most other content is just the same message in slightly different words on repeat, “Linux good, Binbows bad.”
But have you heard the latest hilarious thing? Windows… BAD! Hahaha! My goodness, I’m sure you never could have imagined. Also, I use Arch, in case you were wondering.
Binbows isn’t that bad, it’s Michaelsoft as a company we should worry about.
I like you.
No, I’m on All
Hi on All, i’m the post of tom joad
There’s like 6 of em hah
Why do so many memes seem to be about windows then? 🤔
It’s kind of hard to tell since the Linux memes are in all the other communities as well.
Well that’s because Lemmy needs more users
They’re not gonna get any if we keep making all communities about hating Microsoft Windows and capitalism.
They could use some memes making fun of our community instead of making fun of the rest.
Let’s be honest, Linux isn’t a viable option for a big portion of society. I love working in Linux but it’s not perfect for those that aren’t techsavy and need more than a browser.
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I mean just go ahead and block it, why make this rant at all, if you are seeing it on All its because of the amount of Linux users on Lemmy.
You’re talking to the deity of jokes himself. You think he’s out of touch? No, it is linuxmemes who are wrong
I mean, I’ve got a 75% upvote ratio right now, so perhaps I’m not alone in thinking it’s a bit excessive?
And whats the point? Should all Linux memes communities close so that you don’t see them in All? Should people stop making Linux memes at all? What are you achieving with your rant? You don’t like it. We get it. You and that 75% can block the community and move on.
I did. Go outside and breath for a bit, the weather is nice today.
Ah yes, this is literally the first time I visit Lemmy today after uni and the first post I see on All and that I interact with in more than a week but I am the one that has to go outside, not the person that apparently spends all day on Lemmy, so much so that is tired of seeing Linux memes on its feed. Have a nice day as well, and I truly mean it.
I don’t know your life story, I only know you got pretty riled up over nothing at all on the Internet, by a strangers comment. Usually a good sign you need to take a break and relax.
Bro stop the virtue signalling, you got triggered by memes.
I mean, I’ve got a 75% upvote ratio right now, so perhaps I’m not alone in thinking it’s a bit excessive?
My guy, you got ratio’d by the guy pointing out you were on c/linuxmemes.
Since you are the main character of Lemmy, which Stallman meme shall we post for the millionth time? Perhaps we shall post about how it’s stupid in 2023 to be using a macrokerenel architecture and that Linux is obsolete?
you’re absolutely not. i daily drive linux and find all these memes cringy too (came here from “all” too if anyone’s wondering)
Linux is the best OS for posting memes about Linux, cmv
Is TempleOS a joke to you?
Is it not?
No networking
As God intended.
Block it then. Don’t waste your attention on posts that don’t bring you joy.
We’re on linuxmemes.
Then why are there so many Windows memes? :^)
I’m browsing all.
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Yep, that’s what I said, verbatim.
i’m using tilt controls!
Shut the blast doors!
This feels like an appropriate time to let you know that I use arch, btw.
Nobody asked, nobody cares, just do it.
Feel free to block any communities you please, I personally block them even if they’re fine because they fill up local/all feeds with content I do not understand/care about
Why we don’t have any server side memes yet, probably there is some non-windows meme material there.
“So regarding these security vulnerabilities… We see that RHEL 5 is no longer supported, so what is your plan to get support…” So basically you’re telling me you walked into a giant ravine without ever realising it for almost a decade and now you ask me if you could get some support to assemble your now tiny fragments back into working order?
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Calm down MacOS hasn’t done shit to make it better. They decide what you do and don’t get, daddy apple already made the decision and you have to deal with it.
“We did the thinking for you, and you’ll like it.” Might as well be their slogan.
Mac still locks up with frozen applications. I hate it
Yeah, MacOS has way more bugs than Windows 10. It’s kind of hard to believe that it has been this bad for the past several years. They keep pushing features, but they need a 1-2 year pause on features to fix the existing features they have.
I agree and it’s very weird to say that. The appeal of Mac when I was a kid was that it didn’t have issues and I got blue screens on windows XP very often.
Now it seems the opposite. I’ve had my Mac entirely lock up because an application froze twice this month, but the last blue screen I had in windows was because I over clocked my RAM. I don’t think I’ve had an issue other than that since Windows 7 released.
I’ve had the exact opposite experience. Have never had an app freeze my Mac but my windows computer freezes up at least once a week. Using both for work so similar loads but I guess it’s possible some of my work software is dodgy on the windows. Still probably shouldn’t lock up like that so frequently.
I must be lucky with windows then.
It’s kind of ridiculous that either one can lock up due to a bad application though. Feels like lately it’s been almost as bad as the XP and beach ball of death days.
I guess it’s just really hard to make an operating system. My work Mac also isn’t completely devoid of its own issues. Sometimes moving the mouse can be a bit laggy which is frustrating because I also have a personal Mac that’s not laggy, so again probably the work software.
Absolutely agree it’s ridiculous that modern hardware still sometimes chugs when it’s thousands of times more powerful than what we had back in the day.
Honestly if they bought Apple products they clearly signed up to let Apple do the thinking for them.
Yep. Same as Windows.
Windows is far more customizable by comparison. Still nothing next to Linux but trying to put them on the same field at least in an enterprise environment is ludicrous.
Stock, 1st party apps-only Windows 11? From what I have seen of it (which admittedly is not much, I won’t install it on my machines), it looks very limited in UI customization.
7 downvotes but I don’t get where you’re wrong. Maybe the fact that Windows 11 requires TPM and some other security features? But the rest of the OS pretty much went down in terms of quality.
It doesn’t strictly require TPM in the sense that you can make a modded install disk that does away with the TPM check altogether. People are able to install windows on all sorts of devices now.
Microsoft may have pushed hard on wanting you to have TPM, but it’s more because they didn’t want to deal with the plethora of bugs that come about as a result of inferior hardware.
Windows is still my OS of choice as any misgivings like ads etc can be disabled with a few steps . Is it annoying? Sure, but unlike Macs, I’m able to do something about it when I find something annoying instead of hoping the next OS update deals with it.
Fair enough, also I meant TPM and security as a good thing if that wasn’t clear (you might’ve known that tho, i suck at reading tone via text.)
Not a real requirement, it’s a fake requirement they ask for on Install, windows runs without it just fine.
That’s what a lot of people want… teams of people who sit around all day thinking of shit that will make the system a bit better to use, who have other teams of people that can make it happen… and a way to submit ideas to those teams (I submitted an idea which ended up in iOS on the next release a year later). Then as a user, you get an update with the new features and go, “well hell, I didn’t even know I wanted this, but it sure is making my life easier.” Or in the case of my iOS request, “awesome, they added my request and tweaked it to make it even better. Now I can remove my less elegant solution.” All it cost me was the 5 minutes to fill out the feedback form.
What’s wrong with that?
And sure, not everything someone requests is going to be implemented. I submitted another request around Apple Music that I think is a great idea, but hasn’t been done. But I’m not going to spend my free time coding it up myself to stick it in some opensource app either. A vast majority of people are dependent on the developers to make the decisions for them on what goes into their operating system and apps, regardless of how open the systems are. I’ll write some scripts here and there to tweak things to my liking, but that’s about as far as I’m willing to go, and even that is much further than a vast majority of the population.
When I started using MacOS, I was prepared for annoying design decisions that I would eventually get used to. I was not prepared for inconsistencies, bugs, and a significant loss of features and functionality. MacOS is a terrible operating system.
Still doesn’t support resolution scaling, no window snapping, beach ball of death happens easily, can’t disable the obnoxious caps lock timer (which is awful for writing SQL).
Mac is only good for development because the terminal is Unix based and the M1 has amazing battery life. Otherwise I hate it.
I developed in a linux enviorment on a chromebook before, its okay, even in developer mode, i still felt restricted in what I could do. (Remeber, ARM isnt x86, make shure you get things compiled for ARM if possablez) If id be less crashy, it may be better. Youd have to be affixed to a google account tho.
There are certain things you have to do the Apple-way, which can take time to learn and accept, I will readily admit that. I think every system has some degree of this. Some people are more willing to accept those things than others. Every system also has some bugs and inconsistencies, Linux and Windows are also far from perfect in this area. I’m not sure what you’re comparing macOS to that doesn’t have inconsistencies or bugs.
As someone who switches between Windows, Mac, and Linux (KDE), the every-day bugs with Mac OS are far more annoying to me than the bugs in the other two.
In my experience when I find a bug in Windows or Linux, it’s normally quite a significant bug, but it’s an edge case that you only run into occasionally (e.g. WSL used to lock up completely on Windows 11 when hibernating).
When I find a bug on MacOS, it’s normally something minor, but in something I do all the time, so it ends up being more frustrating (e.g. the lock ups and stuttering every few seconds when Ventura was quite new, oh boy that was annoying).
Maybe it depends on usage patterns or something. I have also use macOS, Windows, and Linux regularly over the past 20 years and have had the opposite experience. I found the most annoying little bugs in Linux and the fewest in macOS. Frequent pinwheels on macOS can be infuriating, if that’s what you were having with Ventura. I can understand that, though I haven’t experienced it as a normal thing in probably 10 years.
I do currently have one really major annoying issue on macOS, but it’s my work laptop and I’m 99.9999% sure it’s related to some horse shit the company has installed on there, and the bug is related to another piece of corporate software, so I blame my company and terrible software choices, not the OS itself. Windows at work was the same way, our IT department can turn any OS to junk. Linux at work has been mostly on servers, and has had it’s own bugs, which I guess are more annoying since when those bugs crop up it can lead to a production outage.
I wish it was pinwheels, sadly it was just complete lockups, as in, not even the mouse would move. It got worse and was most noticeable when an external monitor was attached.
That sucks. Hopefully it’s not still happening. I’ve had that a few times on I think every OS, but it’s been a long time and never a regular thing.
iOS doesn’t let me choose which map app an address opens in. And I can’t select text in iMessage so I can’t copy and paste the address unless the person was smart enough to send it as a separate message.
There are two examples of why this is bad. I can think of plenty more with just my daily use of iOS.
Long Press -> Copy Address.
Oh my god THANK YOU!! I’ve been so annoyed by this 🙏
It’s 2023 and Apple is a trillion dollar company, and they still don’t have window snapping/tiling in OSX. I don’t have anything positive to say about their OS lol.
Damn tell that to literally every single Linux WM lol
Funny thing, patents aren’t really international, more like agreements between different patent systems internationally. There are places that will ignore certain patents, and like The Pirate Bay showed, there only needs to be one place where the IP laws don’t jive for it to be available for anyone who wants it - but that’s not the goal of a business, who wants to access as many markets as it is able to sell their product.
That’s, for example, how VLC can use patented codecs. France doesn’t allow for software patents, meaning that as VLC is produced it France, they can use all the codecs they want…
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Patents, copyright and trademark do nothing but make rich people richer and stifle innovation.
They encourage creation. Trademarks are different. In order to do so properly, they should be far more limited.
Right now the forever copyright means no one can remix sixty year old stories
Right now patents are issued for trivial IT “inventions” which stifle competing products.
Trademarks are fine. They are intended to protect you from misleading products. They let Apple sue people that sell stuff which might mislead you into thinking it’s an apple product.
Of course trademarks are also abused, for example Apple uses trademarks to prevent recycling iPhone parts. That couple be fixed.
Lemme get this straight. Microsoft successfully got a patent for a feature that KDE had before Windows did?
They’ve had it for a while
Bro they don’t even have touchscreen support
I was missing the KDE style drag/resize windows with modifier keys, then I found https://penc.app that kinda fills that void
it also does snapping and auto 50% with trackpad gesture
The first thing I do with a new Mac is install Better Touch Tool UI. It’s mandatory software for Mac as far as I’m concerned.
Rectangle Pro for me, 100%. I bought the paid version too as I loved it.
I like my windows organized and macOS has this penchant for chaos. Windoze at least has FancyZones in PowerToys which is chef’s kiss perfectly done, and I can’t live without it.
I haven’t heard of those programs, but BetterTouchTool also adds window snapping and tiling, and let’s you create custom keybinds and macros, so you can do completely unheard of stuff like use a normal mouse (gasp!). It sounds like your programs are just different variants of the same thing. Right?
MacOS, or the joy of paying extra for shit that should be included OOTB, especially in an OS that every user profusely advertises as “just works”, “intuitive”, etc
BS
I feel like the full screen tiling on mac makes up for this. Having used both windows and Mac a lot I think I slightly prefer Mac’s way of splitting full screen windows but I see the appeal of both
I had to use MacOS for 2 years after using Windows for 20. The copious amounts of energy suddenly releasing when thousands of dying stars start to explode in unison can’t compare to the deep, burning hate I feel for MacOS.
But I know there are people who like or love it. No problem with that. It’s just a personal feeling.
You do you, but I just hate MacOS way of tilling. When I’m tilling windows I’m generally multi-tasking and I need my dock to look at a third window from time to time. Having it in full screen renders this impossible and the animation for switching is sooooooooo slooooooow😅
I’m not even sure full screen tiling can be called tiling at all.
I mean, I’m never gonna tile my kitchen floor with one GIANT tile.
Technically that’s still tiling, but it completely misses the point lol
Lol you tile your desktop as much as your kitchen floor? I only tend to need to have three things up at most so Mac optimizes my screen space the best since I have 2 monitors, but I’m not on on the multitasking level of many people here it seems
*I think mac os started supporting tiling of non full screen windows as well according to some other comments so maybe kitchen style would work now
The have some basic tiling with left/right sides of the screen, not full tiling. But it’s not like they lock the system down so much it can’t be done. There are several 3rd party utilities that can do this.
Apple tends to go for the stuff 80% of people will use. I don’t think the majority likes tiling window managers. I’ve always found them annoying. Even after Windows got the option, I don’t see anyone using it. Usually I see someone snap their window on accident, get the UI for selecting their other tiles, then getting frustrated, because they don’t want than, and then they try and make things go back to normal.
I wasn’t referencing tiling managers. I’m referring to simply dragging a window to the left/right side of the screen and snapping it to 50% of the screen. It’s actually painful to not have that feature. That’s extremely common. I’m not implying it needs to be an i3 clone.
If you’re just looking for a left/right split, macOS has had this for several years as part of their full screen mode. Hover over the green button and it shows full screen or tile left/right. You can also drag stuff around to do it in mission control.
Sounds like they should probably improve their terrible UX. People say they have good UX somehow?
The dragging to the left and right of the screen doesn’t really make sense for Apple’s implementation. It’s not something I use often, but I can understand why they did it the way they did. The drag and drop in mission control is the primary way it’s meant to be used. I think the zoom button hover was added to make it more discoverable.
Like any system, you have to spend a little time using it and learning how it works to take full advantage of it.
I think the lack of minimize in Gnome, and the expectation that people will open up a new virtual desktop and throw apps in it, and jump around desktops or move windows between desktops all the time when they just want to hide something for 2 seconds and bring it back, is a terrible UX, or at least something I can’t seem to get used to. There are tweaks to bring the minimize function back, but the whole thing is buggy. But I’m sure there are people on Gnome who really like this design pattern, they must if they made it.
I see zero reason why dragging a window to an edge shouldn’t 50% resize it and snap to another window border. Not sure whatever you’re referring to with Apple implementation either, it’s just a floating window UI that will benefit from this. Virtual desktops also have nothing to do with the resizing of windows. Also don’t really understand the unrelated rant against Gnome not having minimize.
macOS has never had a maximize button. Before they added full screen it was a zoom button. When they added maximize, they chose to go with full screen apps in their own virtual desktop to avoid obscuring everything else going or, or forcing people into a full tiling window manager on their main desktop.
Going with window dragging to the edge doesn’t make sense to create a new virtual desktop with only half the screen filled, which is how Apple’s tiling works.
I can’t say that I agree with you as far as the Apple stuff, but as a long time Gnome user, I agree with you 100% about Gnome. I loved Gnome 2, but even after all these years Gnome 3 has not grown on me. I’m actually running it on my main desktop PC right now so it’s not for lack of trying. Maybe I’m just a dinosaur but I’d take some Gnome 2 with Compiz over this mess of a desktop environment even still.
I actually had to go find a video on how Gnome 3 was meant to be used. Every time I installed it, I would always go straight to the tweak tool to add in some functionality. Then one day I was like, no, there has to be a design here, what is it? It actually took a fair bit of effort to find.
Not long ago I was watching someone from Red Hat doing some work in Fedora and saw him use Gnome as designed, pop open the stage, move his window to another desktop to get it out of the way, and then go back to what he was doing. It was fairly quick when he did it, but it seems awkward. Had I not previous done the research in Gnome I would have found his actions there very odd.
I’ve always been a Gnome guy when it comes to Linux, and have been using macOS for a long time. So when Gnome 3 came out I figured it would be great for going between macOS and Linux. But I’m almost at the point where I’m willing to give KDE another shot, even though I’m not really a fan of the start-menu style interface. I know there are panels or apps I could use to simulate a dock, but I always found the add-on docks that are just launchers to kind of suck, since the system really wasn’t designed around them. I’m not sure of modem KDE has other better options. It’s been a long time.
It takes getting used to but it really is much better for multi tasking to stop using alt + tab and minimize altogether. Send one window to desktop 1 and another to desktop 2. Now you have consciously chosen where they are and can go there quickly (i. e. Win+1).
I always put the same program in the same place, just like organizing a toolbox/kitchen. Every tool has it’s place.
Both macOS and Windows have virtual desktops too though.
I’m fine with virtual desktop, just not the forced use of them as the only real tool for window management.
Having dedicated separate desktops for everything doesn’t really work for my workflow. The various pairings of apps I need change too frequently and it ends up feeling like a lot of extra work.
I’ve aspired to work that way, but I think I’d need a job where I was completely on my own where I could structure everything how I wanted and do all the work on my schedule without so much context switching.
Nothing wrong with that, IMO those features suck and always annoy me when I encounter them by accident. By god I’m going to manually position every fucking window that I use. That keeps them where they should be.
Don’t get me started on encountering a ‘feature’ by accident, I’m looking at you hot corners 🤮
Everything wrong with that lol, also that’s just weird. If I want to have two windows side by side, I’m going to want to drag them to simply the edges of the left/right of the screen.
I don’t agree with the Mac one.
The Mac UI is basically windows 3.1.
It’s absolutely awful.
Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that’s it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.
It’s so fucking bad.
Also, windows will never brick your machine because of a full hard drive. My wife has a shitty MacBook air. She filled the drive completely. The OS can no longer function. It boots and that’s it. You can’t open anything, you can’t delete anything. Every single click says free up HDD space, even deleting files.
The almost exact same thing happened to a friend of mine using Windows 11. The machine booted, but he was unable to log in.
Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.
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Also windows 10 updates has twice deleted all my files, I am now no longer on windows.
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Thanks
Please tell me you had backups
I did for the most important stuff, but redownloading my game library was not fun.
Your wife’s experience sucks, but having done IT for sizable orgs in the past, my experience was that OS X and Apple’s hardware usually needed less coddling than the various Windows machines. Although they did have some lemon OS releases here and there, and those fucking keyboards from several years back were the devil.
Any OS is going to have anecdotal horror stories. If you want to get a real read on reliability you really need more than a sample size of 1. You need scale.
You need scale
Can’t scale. Hard drive full.
I was supporting MacOS and Windows systems in an extremely vertical stability situation and I honestly never had to touch the Windows machines that were cobbled together parts computers. All the Mac’s were a constant house of cards waiting to topple. Coming drives constantly for last minute hail Mary solutions, crashing issues that could never be explained without any explanation or hint to what the issues were. Sending systems back and forth for repair. Fuck it, avoid MacOS at all costs
I’ll take my experience out of the picture. If you google Mac and PC enterprise costs, or total cost of ownership, you can find a ton of enterprise studies on this.
Usually the big problem with MacOS is whether it supports the damn software the organization / department needs. And by support, I mean native, not through a janky emulator.
TCO, has been compelling for decades. Folks often report longer lasting workstations, fewer tickets, and less malware. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All I see is sources that say Windows is less problematic and less expensive long and short term. I found one source that says otherwise called JAMF and that actually turned out to be, well, as they put it “Helping organizations manage and secure an Apple experience that end users love and organizations trust.” So I’m gonna have to omit this guy for bias
What does it even mean “more dependable”? And the “ease of use” apparently comes at the cost of user control and privacy, the old “walled garden.”
Yeah, the “ease of use” one is complete bullshit. It’s “easy to use” if you’re accustomed to their “walled garden” model and don’t mind everything being automated so as to deepen your dependency on their larger ecosystem.
It’s all bullshit.
Well to begin with, it only has one control panel instead of like 3
Honestly, whyd they never think to use a seprate home partition or setup quotas or fix hdd expectations to prevent errors bricking the desktop.
That’s insane lol, how did they even let an issue lile that slip by… is it just a bug with one version of MacOS or something?
Also to fix it, maybe you could reinstall MacOS? I installed MacOS on a computer I built for a friend years ago, it was a “hackintosh.” If you can install it on all non approved hardware surely it’s possible with an actual Macbook. Just because they’re so absurdly expensive it would be a shame for it to be gone for good. Which is another issue with Apple’s x86 products, you’re paying what like $1500 or more for about $350 of hardware which half the time thermal throttles anyway because they make it thin at the expense of cooling.
Yeah, the issue is, the laptop is full of photos. She took it to Apple after I failed to figure it out. They said they can wipe it but not recover the photos.
It’s just a crap system.
Ahh I see, yeah that’s a tricky situation. Maybe one of these solutions could work? the first paragraph or so says that if you can turn the Mac on, even if you cant do anything, recovering the data might not be as hard
$350 in hardware sure, hardware that someone had to design and especially nowadays with Apple Silicon, that shit doesn’t come cheap
Yeah I guess Apple have there own x86 chips now? Regardless I would rather have a normal computer with an AMD or Intel chip and pay a normal price. I’m sure those CPUs would be better for my purposes anyway
They use ARM now, which is super efficient, the laptops last forever on battery.
If there’s one thing Apple’s done right, it’s Apple Silicon
Huh I haven’t really kept up with consumer tech for the last few years, that’s interesting. Didn’t they have software issues with instruction sets being different? Or does MacOS being Unix based help with that or something. I do know their mobile processors have been competitive especially in single core performance for a while so I’m sure their desktop ones are good.
But, either way they products were still 3x the price of comparable products even when they had crappy x86 Intel CPUs lol. I’m still not very convinced they’re not overpriced sorry to say
They’ve built a translation layer in for compatibility, though it’s not perfectly fast, it’s more than good enough from what I’ve heard.
It being Unix based definitely helps, though don’t doubt Apple wouldn’t have been able to deal with it if that weren’t the case.
The chips really shine in laptops, I’d say desktops are a bit weaker, unless you’re doing something heavily optimized (Final Cut Pro f.e.).
The biggest win is energy consumption, the difference is insane, I recommend you look up a benchmark or two, can range from 2 to 10x more efficient.
I honestly don’t agree though that they’re 3x the price of comparable products, the new Macbook Airs are pretty solid pieces of hardware for an okay sum of money. It really depends on your workload though, if you’re gaming, you’re gonna have a terrible time, if you’re a dev / work in the browser / do some light editing you’re gonna love the battery life and perf’s not gonna hold you back.
Yeah that’s definitely quite interesting, it’s pretty similar to what Microsoft was trying to do with putting Windows on phones I the Early 2010s. I think only really Sony ever adopted it for their phones and they never sold well, but I thought it was interesting at the time.
There’s a decent amount of ARM laptops that are running Windows so maybe that it where the laptop market is heading, it makes sense because the big.LITTLE cores ARM SOCs use are specifically designed to use as little power of course. A Chromebook I had a while ago had a (iirc) Tegra K1 ARM and that had great battery life even for a Chromebook.
As far as pricing on Apple products goes I don’t think you will ever convince me they’re good value for money :P. Sure 3x the price of comparable products is am exaggeration, I would say it’s more like 1.5 or 1.75x the price normally. I mean saying it’s “good for web browsing” essentially just means it doesn’t have good components but these things are priced in the range of what like $1000 right, you could get a nice chromebook that also has an ARM CPU and is good for web browsing as half the price. I’m sure MacOS on ARM is a more useful OS than ChromeOS in terms of the software you can use on it, but for most users that probably isn’t even important.
I think there’s a reason Apple has the largest cash reserves and of any company and the highest market cap (not sure if that’s the case ATM) but they move less products than companies like Samsung, it’s because they have fat profit margins. I’m not saying their products are bad, they’re mostly great and some of their products are genuinely disruptive. I just think they aren’t good value you know. Which is fine, they aren’t really meant to be I don’t think.
It’s also become less and less stable over the years
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I want NeXTSTEP-style menus back. Much better for big screens than title bars.
The title bar is so annoying with a vertical monitor. Oh you’re using the bottom window? All your application menus are literally a foot away.
GUI? Yes.
UNIX command line? Six of one half dozen of the other versus Linux in my experience.
But yeah. I love i3wm and it’s a real bummer that you can’t do something like that with macos. I use yabai, which is nice, but i3 it ain’t.
Yes easier to use, it’s already there
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Windows: Clean boot no bullshit software, nothing running: 4GB RAM allocated.
Yeah, I miss the XP days also 🙁
Nothing’s really stopping you from revisiting Glorious XP (maybe a compatible computer, but if you have an old one you could always fire it up for some good nostalgia).
Is that all processes or is that kernal reserved RAM? (which could be for cached writes, open file cache, etc…)
This feature I especially hate.
Lol Apple absolutely does not do that… They just add extra crap nobody wants.
Meanwhile yesterday I fucked up my linux installation trying to find alternatives on how to be use the wheel click without having things pasted with it :/
I’ll be trying again when I am not lazy to reinstall it again.
Click “Activities” in the upper right and search for “tweaks”, click the “Tweaks” icon. Select “Keyboard & Mouse” and turn “Middle Click Paste” to “off”.
For Gnome ^ but I’m at work and can’t confirm.
Damn, someone who actually gives GUI instructions and doesn’t yell at the person? Keep it up. The Linux community needs people like you.
As far as I remember I tried that but it didn’t seem to work and some xdotool script that disabled the wheel click entirely. Then I installed kde, tried a few more things there, and then I tried to go back to gnome but… …
I recently tried out Fedora and it deleted my Windows boot files so I had to fuck with the computer for hours trying to troubleshoot… not to mention that almost all Linux tools can’t create a proper bootable USB Windows recovery drive :/ Never had this problem with OpenSUSE (I had the best Linux experience with that one for sure) or Ubuntu, they behaved properly with dual-boot install. I guess Fedora never again. And what’s with that name anyway? It’s dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
Just make a Ventoy USB. Why people still bother flashing disk images to thumb drives is beyond me.
Ventoy is awesome, +1
It’s still needed for some things. I tried to install a Universal Blue based distro with Ventoy and kept getting errors, once I flashed a drive it installed perfectly normally. It’s definitely an edge case though.
And what’s with that name anyway? It’s dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
I guess that’s because it was a community continuation of red hat linux (not the enterprise one)
And what’s with that name anyway? It’s dumb. Fedoras are a meme for a reason.
Fedora Linux was thing before fedoras became the meme we know. Also, I would imagine some of the original Fedora Linux guys really did wear fedoras.
It is made by Red Hat, and they went with the hat theme. I used a few distributions, and RedHat was one of the worst. I don’t know why it’s popular.
how to be use the wheel click without having things pasted with it
This is the #1 feature I miss wherever I’m forced to use a non-Linux system.
If that non-Linux system is Windows, and it’s not a one-off situations where you’re using it, AutoHotKey could probably solve this for you.
I know about autohotkey. I used it back when it was new. I don’t use Windows at all, aside from my Blue Iris VM.
What do you use now there a non-Linux system? Or is it so rare to not be on Linux that it’s not worth doing anything?
My desktop, my laptop, my work laptop, my TV gaming system, all my hypervisors, all my Nvidia Jetson systems, 3D printer controller (OctoPi), and (aside from my Blue Iris VM) every single one of my dozens of servers run some kind of Linux.
Except for my firewall, which is OPNsense.
I fucked up my Linux installation yesterday by doing apt upgrade.
Same! dnf upgrade tho for me.
Really? What happened exactly? Hang on. Are you using an Nvidia card? The Nvidia drivers can be finicky sometimes, especially if you have CUDA installed.
I’m pretty sure it was caused by some nvidia driver. It just cut the upgrade process halfway through and in turn damaged nearly everything. Not exactly sure what happened. Either way, my system got so broken I figured it’s easiest to just wipe everything and start from scratch.
I bet there was a relatively quick way to recover it. One thing that’s amazing about Linux is that it’s not locked up like Windows or a Mac.
I’ve practically destroyed systems (entirely my fault) but was still able to fix it.
I even mucked around on a laptop with a LUKS encrypted drive to add a dual boot with another Linux distro. I ended up destroying grub completely. I was back up with both distros working and without a single file lost in 30 minutes.
Maybe. I did some attempts to recover it, like reinstalling all broken packages. But everything I did seemed to break it even more. Any “simple” fix at my skill level would probably take weeks for me to find. So I gave up, backed up all essentials, and then wiped everything. Back up and running much quicker.
Is your home folder on a separate partition? If not look into it.
I would’ve done it if it was me who created the installation. Did it for the reinstall.
Next time try NixOS or use BTRFS snapshots.
TempleOS: Let me make the screen flash so much it might trigger epileptic seizures, because God hates epileptics…
If you install windows and set the language to be english (world), there will be no preinstalled BS apps like tiktok.
Of course most people wont do that
That’s so long as your install source/disk is multi regional. Most Windows install images are for a specific region unless you’re lucky to have MSDN or bought a non-crappy OEM Windows disk.
A disk? What year is this?
Please insert floppy disk #249 and press enter. _
Wait, what are you talking about? Windows doesn’t pre-install TikTok. Are you talking about OEM versions? Those come with a bunch of bloatware because they get paid by the companies to add their software to the install. If you get a copy of windows that’s not attached to a pre-built computer, then it shouldn’t have any bloatware. Granted, I haven’t installed Windows 11, and don’t plan to, so my knowledge could be dated.
If you install windows 11 from a fresh usb right now, you’ll find TikTok, Prime Video, Candy Crush, etc. in the start menu. They’re technically not installed, more like “click to install”. Iirc, windows 10 was more or less the same, but a bit less.
I installed w11 today,there was no candy crush or tiktok or whatever. I had office,spotify,whatsapp,sudoku Legit download from the microsoft website…
I suppose it could differ by region. Spotify, WhatsApp, and sudoku are definitely paid placements
The only one that doesn’t have bloatware for money is MacOS. If Microsoft cared they would ban that.
Before anyone says Linux doesn’t have paid bloatware for money, Ubuntu had Amazon baked into for money. Additionally, many distros use Firefox that Google’s pays to have Google be the default search engine.
I tried Windows 11 on an old laptop I had. Experience:
“Why the hell is TikTok installed?”
Clicks icon
“Installing TikTok”
“No, you removed!”How about not using slurs?
i thought linux users would be smart enough to know what ads are and their first thought would be to right-click and choose “remove”, instead of opening it
guess i overestimated them a little
So Windows users are so used to ads on their desktops that they feel smug when someone doesn’t recognize them. Weird flex, but okay.
Imagine being so used to ads that you make fun of people who aren’t.
Pretty sad actually.
I’m used to ads because i actually go outside and see the light of day.
The fact that you are used to ads EVEN THOUGH you go outside is even more sad. I live in the city and even i don’t regularly see ads. Only on like bus stops and such
PC gamers have modded every game that has been released, whether legal or not. I can’t believe there is no “remove ads from start bar” mod available yet.
I have recently been using BloatyNosy at my IT job when setting up new Windows 11 PCs.
It’s a lightweight little Windows 11 debloater. It’s just a simple UI with checkboxes to modify and run a powershell script. Just in case anyone is looking for a FOSS alternative. The link that you posted looks similar, but it doesn’t appear to be open source.
Yeah it’s the same thing, it just runs registry entry scripts based off toggle switches. I guess it’s not FOSS, but it is freeware. I’ve had a good experience with it so far. The toggle switches are nice because it gives you a handy visual reference of how much Windows overwrites your settings to turn all that shit back on during meaningless updates. I’m convinced that some of their updates don’t do anything except turn all their tracking back on and push an ad of sorts in your face.
Edit: To all those who downvoted me for my comment, you were right to do so. I downloaded the program and it was truly a genuinely free program with no advertising or anything. While I still am not a fan of O&O for other reasons, in this case you were all right.
I’m sorry.
It’s literally a completely free app. They made it easy for less tech-savvy people to debloat windows. Again, for free. Is it so wrong that they mention they take donations on a small portion of the bottom of their webpage? The fuck you complaining for?
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Prey on them by giving them free software that literally never asks for anything, and allows them control over areas of their computer that they wouldn’t normally understand? Okay then!
“Hey man, I gave you that for free. No you don’t need to pay me for it, but while you’re here check out my assortment of completely useless apps that will 100% make your computer super fast”
Except that didn’t happen… they don’t advertise the rest of the website or products anywhere on that page or the program itself. They never even mention that they make other apps.
Microsoft pr team putting in work here
You are calling them losers for giving something away for free?
I think you misunderstood the quote. There’s no cost, it’s free, but they’re flattered that people think it should cost money.
I just saw your edit. That’s cool, man. I’m glad you checked it out.
For whatever reasony work tools on Linux aren’t working right now, so I am using win10 for the moment.
The start menu is a fucking nightmare. I don’t care about what’s on the internet when I am looking for my software. This isn’t a mobile phone.
What’s even worse is that I know what the name of my software is. But half the time, when I use the start menu, the web results and ads load first and it takes a while to show my software, if it ever shows up at all.
I highly recommend Powertoys Run (powered by Wox) with the Everything plugin. It brings a Spotlight-like search with lightning fast search and many features like calculator, running commands and others. I almost never use the start menu nowadays. And all of this is available through Chocolatey.
Also there’s plenty other nifty tools you get as a part of Powertoys (I couldn’t live without Fancy Zones).
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-set-up-microsofts-new-spotlight-esque-powertoy-i-1843566673
I will look into that. I installed chocolatey and I really appreciate a package manager in windows. Gives me a bit of familarity
I love Everything. Cannot recommend it enough.
Maybe it’s just my age, but I use File Explorer to find things on my PC.
But Windows loves to not show you things, and the main folder(C:) just seems to get worse and more cluttered with folders with a name like: 4783DDBMJUD84WWIOT.
Well, the thing is that the start menu used to be useful. So the habit is there. Even in Linux, this is the same.
But now in windows, it’s a pile of crap riddled with ads.
Even when Win95 came out, I was so used to 3.1 navigation and the MSDOS prompt, the Start menu just never had any appeal to me.
Hell, I even right-click to shut down or restart.
I started using computers at windows 95, so to me the start menu was always there.
Install Classic Shell. It lets you change the windows UI to go back to the old Windows 7 UI (or earlier.)
Let’s not live in the past. Just disable internet searching from the start menu.
I agree, it shouldn’t have been built in and on by default and it should be easier to disable.
Personally I think Win10 start was peak Windows start because it was the most customizable.
Do you guys think linux will ever win over time? I see hate towards ubuntu every now and then but I think of it as the most “idiot-proof” distro (maybe I’m wrong)
No. Something with no marketing never beats something with billions of dollars in marketing and partnerships.
It’s not about marketing, it’s about trying to turn on surround sound, almost blowing up my speakers with static, and reading through pulse audio or Alsa configs for hours to do what an AppleTV just does innately.
Linux, and especially desktop linux, is a collection of disparate technologies by different groups with different priorities and it will never have a cohesive vision or responsive support.
I’ve had a Linux desktop on and off for over 20 years and it’s always some bullshit or another.
It’s always the year of Linux on the desktop if you’re a masochist.
Signed: a masochist.
I started using Ubuntu partly because all that just works
The distro that almost blew up my speakers(and my eardrums) just happened to be Ubuntu! Small world!
Hell, that would have been the case 10 years ago. Now that Windows is ‘the default’ for almost everybody, I can never see Linux taking that crown even if Windows never advertised again.
Windows is much less of a default today than it was 20 years ago.
This data shows 2009 to now, Windows has been in a slow trend down with macOS on a slow march up. Back around 2000, Windows was probably 99%, now it’s down to 69%.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202308
If we include mobile, Android is bigger than Windows, which is wild. Microsoft completely fumbled the ball on mobile. Ironically they had Windows Mobile long before iOS or Android were even ideas, but they failed to take the iPhone seriously and never recovered.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202308
No giant is too big to fall. That being said, desktop Linux would need to make some significant changes to get itself in the running. Primarily, not being generically “Linux”, and have a distro the whole community organizes around and make it the best desktop OS out there. The lack of focus can generate a lot of interesting ideas and projects, but really slows down progress and increases confusion for new users.
macOS has 20% marketshare and has been the main reasons Windows has been dropping for over a decade now. macOS is Unix. There is no reason Linux couldn’t be just as easy to use, or even better… combining ease of use with user control. But I think for that to happen some hard decisions need to be made. Kill off the dead weight projects and get everyone behind the stuff that’s going to really matter.
Windows was the default for almost everybody 10 years ago too.
You’re definitely right about that, I tend to forgot how recent 10 years ago was…
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I think Ubuntu and some other Linux distros are arguably more idiot proof than Windows, especially if used by a child with no former experience with anything. The issue of course, is that people just expect every piece of software to work out of the box, and much software that gets advertised to people, including games, targets Windows. Yes, most stuff works with compatibility layers now and more software is targeting Linux as well. However as soon as a person encounters a piece of software where something doesn’t just work they will probably ditch the OS, not look for fixes or an alternative, especially for something like a game where there is FOMO attached.
Kids and elders in my family get Linux. It’s especially easy to sell it to them too, since:
- They only need email, office suite, browser, games
- They don’t want to buy windows
Well, Ubuntu pioneered this thing! Fortunately it was short lived and you could opt out.
A good and user-friendly distro nevertheless. Who knows if it will ever “win” on the desktop, but I am sure the more mainstream it becomes, the more hate it will get!
I think the newer immutable distros will become the more mainstream option.
In practice it behaves more like a phone where you use sandboxed apps and the base system cannot be modded.
However on immutable distros you can make changes to the system but only with a specific method. This is how the Steam Deck is setup and I can see it working very well for the average user.
I think if somehow office 365 got working easily on linux there will be a decent sized shift
If you’re speaking of the consumer space, not severs, where Linux already won… Linux/Unix won in mobile (Android is Linux, iOS is Unix), or course both of these are a fry cry from what people talk about when they speak about Linux on the desktop.
I think what most people see as the strength of Linux is also it’s weakness when it comes to mass market adoption. There are simply too many options and too much fragmentation for it to be viable for people who aren’t really into computers.
Ubuntu came close to becoming the de facto standard for desktop Linux, but then kind of fell out of favor. I assume due to Unity and the whole Amazon ad non-sense which violated the trust of a lot of people, even though it could be removed, it showed poor judgement. Since then, I haven’t seen and distro push that hard to make it into the mainstream. Without a single distro that dominates the consumer space, the point where OEMs feel comfortable providing it as an option, I don’t see it happening.
Agiant most of these comments.
Mac actually does have one major similarity to Linux (beside it being posix)
spoiler
The UX sucks just as much as GNOME 4x
xfce for life lol
I don’t like start menus, I much prefer the UX of Gnome
The main two things I like about start menus is that it keeps all your apps out of the way, and in some resemblence of organizatoin, instead of just barfing them all out in one big cluttered mess, which is part of what turns me away from Apple, or Gnome. However, they’re not as easy to use on touchscreens. That said, ads deeply nerf this advantage.
I use search for any given app (start menu or not) so it’s all a cluttered mess as it filters down but the larger icon makes finding things faster
I do have a folder for OS utilities though because outside of terminal I don’t use them enough to know them
