Calm down MacOS hasn’t done shit to make it better. They decide what you do and don’t get, daddy apple already made the decision and you have to deal with it.
“We did the thinking for you, and you’ll like it.” Might as well be their slogan.
Yeah, MacOS has way more bugs than Windows 10. It’s kind of hard to believe that it has been this bad for the past several years. They keep pushing features, but they need a 1-2 year pause on features to fix the existing features they have.
I agree and it’s very weird to say that. The appeal of Mac when I was a kid was that it didn’t have issues and I got blue screens on windows XP very often.
Now it seems the opposite. I’ve had my Mac entirely lock up because an application froze twice this month, but the last blue screen I had in windows was because I over clocked my RAM. I don’t think I’ve had an issue other than that since Windows 7 released.
I’ve had the exact opposite experience. Have never had an app freeze my Mac but my windows computer freezes up at least once a week. Using both for work so similar loads but I guess it’s possible some of my work software is dodgy on the windows. Still probably shouldn’t lock up like that so frequently.
It’s kind of ridiculous that either one can lock up due to a bad application though. Feels like lately it’s been almost as bad as the XP and beach ball of death days.
I guess it’s just really hard to make an operating system. My work Mac also isn’t completely devoid of its own issues. Sometimes moving the mouse can be a bit laggy which is frustrating because I also have a personal Mac that’s not laggy, so again probably the work software.
Absolutely agree it’s ridiculous that modern hardware still sometimes chugs when it’s thousands of times more powerful than what we had back in the day.
Windows is far more customizable by comparison. Still nothing next to Linux but trying to put them on the same field at least in an enterprise environment is ludicrous.
Stock, 1st party apps-only Windows 11? From what I have seen of it (which admittedly is not much, I won’t install it on my machines), it looks very limited in UI customization.
7 downvotes but I don’t get where you’re wrong. Maybe the fact that Windows 11 requires TPM and some other security features? But the rest of the OS pretty much went down in terms of quality.
It doesn’t strictly require TPM in the sense that you can make a modded install disk that does away with the TPM check altogether. People are able to install windows on all sorts of devices now.
Microsoft may have pushed hard on wanting you to have TPM, but it’s more because they didn’t want to deal with the plethora of bugs that come about as a result of inferior hardware.
Windows is still my OS of choice as any misgivings like ads etc can be disabled with a few steps . Is it annoying? Sure, but unlike Macs, I’m able to do something about it when I find something annoying instead of hoping the next OS update deals with it.
That’s what a lot of people want… teams of people who sit around all day thinking of shit that will make the system a bit better to use, who have other teams of people that can make it happen… and a way to submit ideas to those teams (I submitted an idea which ended up in iOS on the next release a year later). Then as a user, you get an update with the new features and go, “well hell, I didn’t even know I wanted this, but it sure is making my life easier.” Or in the case of my iOS request, “awesome, they added my request and tweaked it to make it even better. Now I can remove my less elegant solution.” All it cost me was the 5 minutes to fill out the feedback form.
What’s wrong with that?
And sure, not everything someone requests is going to be implemented. I submitted another request around Apple Music that I think is a great idea, but hasn’t been done. But I’m not going to spend my free time coding it up myself to stick it in some opensource app either. A vast majority of people are dependent on the developers to make the decisions for them on what goes into their operating system and apps, regardless of how open the systems are. I’ll write some scripts here and there to tweak things to my liking, but that’s about as far as I’m willing to go, and even that is much further than a vast majority of the population.
When I started using MacOS, I was prepared for annoying design decisions that I would eventually get used to. I was not prepared for inconsistencies, bugs, and a significant loss of features and functionality. MacOS is a terrible operating system.
Still doesn’t support resolution scaling, no window snapping, beach ball of death happens easily, can’t disable the obnoxious caps lock timer (which is awful for writing SQL).
Mac is only good for development because the terminal is Unix based and the M1 has amazing battery life. Otherwise I hate it.
I developed in a linux enviorment on a chromebook before, its okay, even in developer mode, i still felt restricted in what I could do. (Remeber, ARM isnt x86, make shure you get things compiled for ARM if possablez) If id be less crashy, it may be better. Youd have to be affixed to a google account tho.
There are certain things you have to do the Apple-way, which can take time to learn and accept, I will readily admit that. I think every system has some degree of this. Some people are more willing to accept those things than others. Every system also has some bugs and inconsistencies, Linux and Windows are also far from perfect in this area. I’m not sure what you’re comparing macOS to that doesn’t have inconsistencies or bugs.
As someone who switches between Windows, Mac, and Linux (KDE), the every-day bugs with Mac OS are far more annoying to me than the bugs in the other two.
In my experience when I find a bug in Windows or Linux, it’s normally quite a significant bug, but it’s an edge case that you only run into occasionally (e.g. WSL used to lock up completely on Windows 11 when hibernating).
When I find a bug on MacOS, it’s normally something minor, but in something I do all the time, so it ends up being more frustrating (e.g. the lock ups and stuttering every few seconds when Ventura was quite new, oh boy that was annoying).
Maybe it depends on usage patterns or something. I have also use macOS, Windows, and Linux regularly over the past 20 years and have had the opposite experience. I found the most annoying little bugs in Linux and the fewest in macOS. Frequent pinwheels on macOS can be infuriating, if that’s what you were having with Ventura. I can understand that, though I haven’t experienced it as a normal thing in probably 10 years.
I do currently have one really major annoying issue on macOS, but it’s my work laptop and I’m 99.9999% sure it’s related to some horse shit the company has installed on there, and the bug is related to another piece of corporate software, so I blame my company and terrible software choices, not the OS itself. Windows at work was the same way, our IT department can turn any OS to junk. Linux at work has been mostly on servers, and has had it’s own bugs, which I guess are more annoying since when those bugs crop up it can lead to a production outage.
I wish it was pinwheels, sadly it was just complete lockups, as in, not even the mouse would move. It got worse and was most noticeable when an external monitor was attached.
iOS doesn’t let me choose which map app an address opens in. And I can’t select text in iMessage so I can’t copy and paste the address unless the person was smart enough to send it as a separate message.
There are two examples of why this is bad. I can think of plenty more with just my daily use of iOS.
Calm down MacOS hasn’t done shit to make it better. They decide what you do and don’t get, daddy apple already made the decision and you have to deal with it.
“We did the thinking for you, and you’ll like it.” Might as well be their slogan.
Mac still locks up with frozen applications. I hate it
Yeah, MacOS has way more bugs than Windows 10. It’s kind of hard to believe that it has been this bad for the past several years. They keep pushing features, but they need a 1-2 year pause on features to fix the existing features they have.
I agree and it’s very weird to say that. The appeal of Mac when I was a kid was that it didn’t have issues and I got blue screens on windows XP very often.
Now it seems the opposite. I’ve had my Mac entirely lock up because an application froze twice this month, but the last blue screen I had in windows was because I over clocked my RAM. I don’t think I’ve had an issue other than that since Windows 7 released.
I’ve had the exact opposite experience. Have never had an app freeze my Mac but my windows computer freezes up at least once a week. Using both for work so similar loads but I guess it’s possible some of my work software is dodgy on the windows. Still probably shouldn’t lock up like that so frequently.
I must be lucky with windows then.
It’s kind of ridiculous that either one can lock up due to a bad application though. Feels like lately it’s been almost as bad as the XP and beach ball of death days.
I guess it’s just really hard to make an operating system. My work Mac also isn’t completely devoid of its own issues. Sometimes moving the mouse can be a bit laggy which is frustrating because I also have a personal Mac that’s not laggy, so again probably the work software.
Absolutely agree it’s ridiculous that modern hardware still sometimes chugs when it’s thousands of times more powerful than what we had back in the day.
Honestly if they bought Apple products they clearly signed up to let Apple do the thinking for them.
Yep. Same as Windows.
Windows is far more customizable by comparison. Still nothing next to Linux but trying to put them on the same field at least in an enterprise environment is ludicrous.
Stock, 1st party apps-only Windows 11? From what I have seen of it (which admittedly is not much, I won’t install it on my machines), it looks very limited in UI customization.
7 downvotes but I don’t get where you’re wrong. Maybe the fact that Windows 11 requires TPM and some other security features? But the rest of the OS pretty much went down in terms of quality.
It doesn’t strictly require TPM in the sense that you can make a modded install disk that does away with the TPM check altogether. People are able to install windows on all sorts of devices now.
Microsoft may have pushed hard on wanting you to have TPM, but it’s more because they didn’t want to deal with the plethora of bugs that come about as a result of inferior hardware.
Windows is still my OS of choice as any misgivings like ads etc can be disabled with a few steps . Is it annoying? Sure, but unlike Macs, I’m able to do something about it when I find something annoying instead of hoping the next OS update deals with it.
Fair enough, also I meant TPM and security as a good thing if that wasn’t clear (you might’ve known that tho, i suck at reading tone via text.)
Not a real requirement, it’s a fake requirement they ask for on Install, windows runs without it just fine.
That’s what a lot of people want… teams of people who sit around all day thinking of shit that will make the system a bit better to use, who have other teams of people that can make it happen… and a way to submit ideas to those teams (I submitted an idea which ended up in iOS on the next release a year later). Then as a user, you get an update with the new features and go, “well hell, I didn’t even know I wanted this, but it sure is making my life easier.” Or in the case of my iOS request, “awesome, they added my request and tweaked it to make it even better. Now I can remove my less elegant solution.” All it cost me was the 5 minutes to fill out the feedback form.
What’s wrong with that?
And sure, not everything someone requests is going to be implemented. I submitted another request around Apple Music that I think is a great idea, but hasn’t been done. But I’m not going to spend my free time coding it up myself to stick it in some opensource app either. A vast majority of people are dependent on the developers to make the decisions for them on what goes into their operating system and apps, regardless of how open the systems are. I’ll write some scripts here and there to tweak things to my liking, but that’s about as far as I’m willing to go, and even that is much further than a vast majority of the population.
When I started using MacOS, I was prepared for annoying design decisions that I would eventually get used to. I was not prepared for inconsistencies, bugs, and a significant loss of features and functionality. MacOS is a terrible operating system.
Still doesn’t support resolution scaling, no window snapping, beach ball of death happens easily, can’t disable the obnoxious caps lock timer (which is awful for writing SQL).
Mac is only good for development because the terminal is Unix based and the M1 has amazing battery life. Otherwise I hate it.
I developed in a linux enviorment on a chromebook before, its okay, even in developer mode, i still felt restricted in what I could do. (Remeber, ARM isnt x86, make shure you get things compiled for ARM if possablez) If id be less crashy, it may be better. Youd have to be affixed to a google account tho.
There are certain things you have to do the Apple-way, which can take time to learn and accept, I will readily admit that. I think every system has some degree of this. Some people are more willing to accept those things than others. Every system also has some bugs and inconsistencies, Linux and Windows are also far from perfect in this area. I’m not sure what you’re comparing macOS to that doesn’t have inconsistencies or bugs.
As someone who switches between Windows, Mac, and Linux (KDE), the every-day bugs with Mac OS are far more annoying to me than the bugs in the other two.
In my experience when I find a bug in Windows or Linux, it’s normally quite a significant bug, but it’s an edge case that you only run into occasionally (e.g. WSL used to lock up completely on Windows 11 when hibernating).
When I find a bug on MacOS, it’s normally something minor, but in something I do all the time, so it ends up being more frustrating (e.g. the lock ups and stuttering every few seconds when Ventura was quite new, oh boy that was annoying).
Maybe it depends on usage patterns or something. I have also use macOS, Windows, and Linux regularly over the past 20 years and have had the opposite experience. I found the most annoying little bugs in Linux and the fewest in macOS. Frequent pinwheels on macOS can be infuriating, if that’s what you were having with Ventura. I can understand that, though I haven’t experienced it as a normal thing in probably 10 years.
I do currently have one really major annoying issue on macOS, but it’s my work laptop and I’m 99.9999% sure it’s related to some horse shit the company has installed on there, and the bug is related to another piece of corporate software, so I blame my company and terrible software choices, not the OS itself. Windows at work was the same way, our IT department can turn any OS to junk. Linux at work has been mostly on servers, and has had it’s own bugs, which I guess are more annoying since when those bugs crop up it can lead to a production outage.
I wish it was pinwheels, sadly it was just complete lockups, as in, not even the mouse would move. It got worse and was most noticeable when an external monitor was attached.
That sucks. Hopefully it’s not still happening. I’ve had that a few times on I think every OS, but it’s been a long time and never a regular thing.
iOS doesn’t let me choose which map app an address opens in. And I can’t select text in iMessage so I can’t copy and paste the address unless the person was smart enough to send it as a separate message.
There are two examples of why this is bad. I can think of plenty more with just my daily use of iOS.
Long Press -> Copy Address.
Oh my god THANK YOU!! I’ve been so annoyed by this 🙏