It’s 2023 and Apple is a trillion dollar company, and they still don’t have window snapping/tiling in OSX. I don’t have anything positive to say about their OS lol.
Funny thing, patents aren’t really international, more like agreements between different patent systems internationally. There are places that will ignore certain patents, and like The Pirate Bay showed, there only needs to be one place where the IP laws don’t jive for it to be available for anyone who wants it - but that’s not the goal of a business, who wants to access as many markets as it is able to sell their product.
That’s, for example, how VLC can use patented codecs. France doesn’t allow for software patents, meaning that as VLC is produced it France, they can use all the codecs they want…
They encourage creation. Trademarks are different. In order to do so properly, they should be far more limited.
Right now the forever copyright means no one can remix sixty year old stories
Right now patents are issued for trivial IT “inventions” which stifle competing products.
Trademarks are fine. They are intended to protect you from misleading products. They let Apple sue people that sell stuff which might mislead you into thinking it’s an apple product.
Of course trademarks are also abused, for example Apple uses trademarks to prevent recycling iPhone parts. That couple be fixed.
I feel like the full screen tiling on mac makes up for this. Having used both windows and Mac a lot I think I slightly prefer Mac’s way of splitting full screen windows but I see the appeal of both
I had to use MacOS for 2 years after using Windows for 20. The copious amounts of energy suddenly releasing when thousands of dying stars start to explode in unison can’t compare to the deep, burning hate I feel for MacOS.
But I know there are people who like or love it. No problem with that. It’s just a personal feeling.
You do you, but I just hate MacOS way of tilling. When I’m tilling windows I’m generally multi-tasking and I need my dock to look at a third window from time to time. Having it in full screen renders this impossible and the animation for switching is sooooooooo slooooooow😅
Lol you tile your desktop as much as your kitchen floor? I only tend to need to have three things up at most so Mac optimizes my screen space the best since I have 2 monitors, but I’m not on on the multitasking level of many people here it seems
*I think mac os started supporting tiling of non full screen windows as well according to some other comments so maybe kitchen style would work now
Rectangle Pro for me, 100%. I bought the paid version too as I loved it.
I like my windows organized and macOS has this penchant for chaos. Windoze at least has FancyZones in PowerToys which is chef’s kiss perfectly done, and I can’t live without it.
I haven’t heard of those programs, but BetterTouchTool also adds window snapping and tiling, and let’s you create custom keybinds and macros, so you can do completely unheard of stuff like use a normal mouse (gasp!). It sounds like your programs are just different variants of the same thing. Right?
MacOS, or the joy of paying extra for shit that should be included OOTB, especially in an OS that every user profusely advertises as “just works”, “intuitive”, etc
The have some basic tiling with left/right sides of the screen, not full tiling. But it’s not like they lock the system down so much it can’t be done. There are several 3rd party utilities that can do this.
Apple tends to go for the stuff 80% of people will use. I don’t think the majority likes tiling window managers. I’ve always found them annoying. Even after Windows got the option, I don’t see anyone using it. Usually I see someone snap their window on accident, get the UI for selecting their other tiles, then getting frustrated, because they don’t want than, and then they try and make things go back to normal.
I wasn’t referencing tiling managers. I’m referring to simply dragging a window to the left/right side of the screen and snapping it to 50% of the screen. It’s actually painful to not have that feature. That’s extremely common. I’m not implying it needs to be an i3 clone.
If you’re just looking for a left/right split, macOS has had this for several years as part of their full screen mode. Hover over the green button and it shows full screen or tile left/right. You can also drag stuff around to do it in mission control.
The dragging to the left and right of the screen doesn’t really make sense for Apple’s implementation. It’s not something I use often, but I can understand why they did it the way they did. The drag and drop in mission control is the primary way it’s meant to be used. I think the zoom button hover was added to make it more discoverable.
Like any system, you have to spend a little time using it and learning how it works to take full advantage of it.
I think the lack of minimize in Gnome, and the expectation that people will open up a new virtual desktop and throw apps in it, and jump around desktops or move windows between desktops all the time when they just want to hide something for 2 seconds and bring it back, is a terrible UX, or at least something I can’t seem to get used to. There are tweaks to bring the minimize function back, but the whole thing is buggy. But I’m sure there are people on Gnome who really like this design pattern, they must if they made it.
I see zero reason why dragging a window to an edge shouldn’t 50% resize it and snap to another window border. Not sure whatever you’re referring to with Apple implementation either, it’s just a floating window UI that will benefit from this. Virtual desktops also have nothing to do with the resizing of windows. Also don’t really understand the unrelated rant against Gnome not having minimize.
macOS has never had a maximize button. Before they added full screen it was a zoom button. When they added maximize, they chose to go with full screen apps in their own virtual desktop to avoid obscuring everything else going or, or forcing people into a full tiling window manager on their main desktop.
Going with window dragging to the edge doesn’t make sense to create a new virtual desktop with only half the screen filled, which is how Apple’s tiling works.
I can’t say that I agree with you as far as the Apple stuff, but as a long time Gnome user, I agree with you 100% about Gnome. I loved Gnome 2, but even after all these years Gnome 3 has not grown on me. I’m actually running it on my main desktop PC right now so it’s not for lack of trying. Maybe I’m just a dinosaur but I’d take some Gnome 2 with Compiz over this mess of a desktop environment even still.
I actually had to go find a video on how Gnome 3 was meant to be used. Every time I installed it, I would always go straight to the tweak tool to add in some functionality. Then one day I was like, no, there has to be a design here, what is it? It actually took a fair bit of effort to find.
Not long ago I was watching someone from Red Hat doing some work in Fedora and saw him use Gnome as designed, pop open the stage, move his window to another desktop to get it out of the way, and then go back to what he was doing. It was fairly quick when he did it, but it seems awkward. Had I not previous done the research in Gnome I would have found his actions there very odd.
I’ve always been a Gnome guy when it comes to Linux, and have been using macOS for a long time. So when Gnome 3 came out I figured it would be great for going between macOS and Linux. But I’m almost at the point where I’m willing to give KDE another shot, even though I’m not really a fan of the start-menu style interface. I know there are panels or apps I could use to simulate a dock, but I always found the add-on docks that are just launchers to kind of suck, since the system really wasn’t designed around them. I’m not sure of modem KDE has other better options. It’s been a long time.
It takes getting used to but it really is much better for multi tasking to stop using alt + tab and minimize altogether. Send one window to desktop 1 and another to desktop 2. Now you have consciously chosen where they are and can go there quickly (i. e. Win+1).
I always put the same program in the same place, just like organizing a toolbox/kitchen. Every tool has it’s place.
Both macOS and Windows have virtual desktops too though.
I’m fine with virtual desktop, just not the forced use of them as the only real tool for window management.
Having dedicated separate desktops for everything doesn’t really work for my workflow. The various pairings of apps I need change too frequently and it ends up feeling like a lot of extra work.
I’ve aspired to work that way, but I think I’d need a job where I was completely on my own where I could structure everything how I wanted and do all the work on my schedule without so much context switching.
Nothing wrong with that, IMO those features suck and always annoy me when I encounter them by accident. By god I’m going to manually position every fucking window that I use. That keeps them where they should be.
Everything wrong with that lol, also that’s just weird. If I want to have two windows side by side, I’m going to want to drag them to simply the edges of the left/right of the screen.
It’s 2023 and Apple is a trillion dollar company, and they still don’t have window snapping/tiling in OSX. I don’t have anything positive to say about their OS lol.
Afaik it’s patented.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/qlnwzx/window_snapping_should_be_the_default_window/hj490vu
Damn tell that to literally every single Linux WM lol
Funny thing, patents aren’t really international, more like agreements between different patent systems internationally. There are places that will ignore certain patents, and like The Pirate Bay showed, there only needs to be one place where the IP laws don’t jive for it to be available for anyone who wants it - but that’s not the goal of a business, who wants to access as many markets as it is able to sell their product.
That’s, for example, how VLC can use patented codecs. France doesn’t allow for software patents, meaning that as VLC is produced it France, they can use all the codecs they want…
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Patents, copyright and trademark do nothing but make rich people richer and stifle innovation.
They encourage creation. Trademarks are different. In order to do so properly, they should be far more limited.
Right now the forever copyright means no one can remix sixty year old stories
Right now patents are issued for trivial IT “inventions” which stifle competing products.
Trademarks are fine. They are intended to protect you from misleading products. They let Apple sue people that sell stuff which might mislead you into thinking it’s an apple product.
Of course trademarks are also abused, for example Apple uses trademarks to prevent recycling iPhone parts. That couple be fixed.
Lemme get this straight. Microsoft successfully got a patent for a feature that KDE had before Windows did?
Bro they don’t even have touchscreen support
They’ve had it for a while
I was missing the KDE style drag/resize windows with modifier keys, then I found https://penc.app that kinda fills that void
it also does snapping and auto 50% with trackpad gesture
I feel like the full screen tiling on mac makes up for this. Having used both windows and Mac a lot I think I slightly prefer Mac’s way of splitting full screen windows but I see the appeal of both
I had to use MacOS for 2 years after using Windows for 20. The copious amounts of energy suddenly releasing when thousands of dying stars start to explode in unison can’t compare to the deep, burning hate I feel for MacOS.
But I know there are people who like or love it. No problem with that. It’s just a personal feeling.
You do you, but I just hate MacOS way of tilling. When I’m tilling windows I’m generally multi-tasking and I need my dock to look at a third window from time to time. Having it in full screen renders this impossible and the animation for switching is sooooooooo slooooooow😅
I’m not even sure full screen tiling can be called tiling at all.
I mean, I’m never gonna tile my kitchen floor with one GIANT tile.
Technically that’s still tiling, but it completely misses the point lol
Lol you tile your desktop as much as your kitchen floor? I only tend to need to have three things up at most so Mac optimizes my screen space the best since I have 2 monitors, but I’m not on on the multitasking level of many people here it seems
*I think mac os started supporting tiling of non full screen windows as well according to some other comments so maybe kitchen style would work now
The first thing I do with a new Mac is install Better Touch Tool UI. It’s mandatory software for Mac as far as I’m concerned.
Rectangle Pro for me, 100%. I bought the paid version too as I loved it.
I like my windows organized and macOS has this penchant for chaos. Windoze at least has FancyZones in PowerToys which is chef’s kiss perfectly done, and I can’t live without it.
I haven’t heard of those programs, but BetterTouchTool also adds window snapping and tiling, and let’s you create custom keybinds and macros, so you can do completely unheard of stuff like use a normal mouse (gasp!). It sounds like your programs are just different variants of the same thing. Right?
MacOS, or the joy of paying extra for shit that should be included OOTB, especially in an OS that every user profusely advertises as “just works”, “intuitive”, etc
BS
The have some basic tiling with left/right sides of the screen, not full tiling. But it’s not like they lock the system down so much it can’t be done. There are several 3rd party utilities that can do this.
Apple tends to go for the stuff 80% of people will use. I don’t think the majority likes tiling window managers. I’ve always found them annoying. Even after Windows got the option, I don’t see anyone using it. Usually I see someone snap their window on accident, get the UI for selecting their other tiles, then getting frustrated, because they don’t want than, and then they try and make things go back to normal.
I wasn’t referencing tiling managers. I’m referring to simply dragging a window to the left/right side of the screen and snapping it to 50% of the screen. It’s actually painful to not have that feature. That’s extremely common. I’m not implying it needs to be an i3 clone.
If you’re just looking for a left/right split, macOS has had this for several years as part of their full screen mode. Hover over the green button and it shows full screen or tile left/right. You can also drag stuff around to do it in mission control.
Sounds like they should probably improve their terrible UX. People say they have good UX somehow?
The dragging to the left and right of the screen doesn’t really make sense for Apple’s implementation. It’s not something I use often, but I can understand why they did it the way they did. The drag and drop in mission control is the primary way it’s meant to be used. I think the zoom button hover was added to make it more discoverable.
Like any system, you have to spend a little time using it and learning how it works to take full advantage of it.
I think the lack of minimize in Gnome, and the expectation that people will open up a new virtual desktop and throw apps in it, and jump around desktops or move windows between desktops all the time when they just want to hide something for 2 seconds and bring it back, is a terrible UX, or at least something I can’t seem to get used to. There are tweaks to bring the minimize function back, but the whole thing is buggy. But I’m sure there are people on Gnome who really like this design pattern, they must if they made it.
I see zero reason why dragging a window to an edge shouldn’t 50% resize it and snap to another window border. Not sure whatever you’re referring to with Apple implementation either, it’s just a floating window UI that will benefit from this. Virtual desktops also have nothing to do with the resizing of windows. Also don’t really understand the unrelated rant against Gnome not having minimize.
macOS has never had a maximize button. Before they added full screen it was a zoom button. When they added maximize, they chose to go with full screen apps in their own virtual desktop to avoid obscuring everything else going or, or forcing people into a full tiling window manager on their main desktop.
Going with window dragging to the edge doesn’t make sense to create a new virtual desktop with only half the screen filled, which is how Apple’s tiling works.
I can’t say that I agree with you as far as the Apple stuff, but as a long time Gnome user, I agree with you 100% about Gnome. I loved Gnome 2, but even after all these years Gnome 3 has not grown on me. I’m actually running it on my main desktop PC right now so it’s not for lack of trying. Maybe I’m just a dinosaur but I’d take some Gnome 2 with Compiz over this mess of a desktop environment even still.
I actually had to go find a video on how Gnome 3 was meant to be used. Every time I installed it, I would always go straight to the tweak tool to add in some functionality. Then one day I was like, no, there has to be a design here, what is it? It actually took a fair bit of effort to find.
Not long ago I was watching someone from Red Hat doing some work in Fedora and saw him use Gnome as designed, pop open the stage, move his window to another desktop to get it out of the way, and then go back to what he was doing. It was fairly quick when he did it, but it seems awkward. Had I not previous done the research in Gnome I would have found his actions there very odd.
I’ve always been a Gnome guy when it comes to Linux, and have been using macOS for a long time. So when Gnome 3 came out I figured it would be great for going between macOS and Linux. But I’m almost at the point where I’m willing to give KDE another shot, even though I’m not really a fan of the start-menu style interface. I know there are panels or apps I could use to simulate a dock, but I always found the add-on docks that are just launchers to kind of suck, since the system really wasn’t designed around them. I’m not sure of modem KDE has other better options. It’s been a long time.
It takes getting used to but it really is much better for multi tasking to stop using alt + tab and minimize altogether. Send one window to desktop 1 and another to desktop 2. Now you have consciously chosen where they are and can go there quickly (i. e. Win+1).
I always put the same program in the same place, just like organizing a toolbox/kitchen. Every tool has it’s place.
Both macOS and Windows have virtual desktops too though.
I’m fine with virtual desktop, just not the forced use of them as the only real tool for window management.
Having dedicated separate desktops for everything doesn’t really work for my workflow. The various pairings of apps I need change too frequently and it ends up feeling like a lot of extra work.
I’ve aspired to work that way, but I think I’d need a job where I was completely on my own where I could structure everything how I wanted and do all the work on my schedule without so much context switching.
So use KDE or xfce or …
In Linux you have choice
Nothing wrong with that, IMO those features suck and always annoy me when I encounter them by accident. By god I’m going to manually position every fucking window that I use. That keeps them where they should be.
Don’t get me started on encountering a ‘feature’ by accident, I’m looking at you hot corners 🤮
Everything wrong with that lol, also that’s just weird. If I want to have two windows side by side, I’m going to want to drag them to simply the edges of the left/right of the screen.