edit: now it’s a meme and we can all hug in the comments.

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    Somebody should make a movie around this message of jaded adults refinding their humanity in an absurd, hyperconsumerist world through the rejection of cynicism and embracing of liking things again, but cleverly disguise it as a movie made to sell plastic dolls to little girls to play on the concept of hyperconsumerism.

    I think this hypothetical movie will be a smashing success in the box office. And probably win the lead actress an Oscar this year.

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      Totally irrelevant to your comment, keep up the strike and hold the line! Assuming you’re the real Margot Robbie and have a prolific platform. I know it’s not fair, especially to the less recognizable members but a lot of other people who are thinking about unionizing are watching the WGA and SAG strikes to see if labour can still win. It’s not just you guys, we’re all with you. Even if they’re too stupid to realize this strike is more important than a new season of NCIS. Labour winning this strike proves that labour isn’t out of the fight and capital hasn’t completely won. Stay strong! Hold the line!

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      I’d like to think even as a jaded adult this isn’t just an impersonation.

      And I assume the Ken dance off scene is an allegory to the obliteration of the ego resulting in self reflection?

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        Ok if you had the opportunity to make Ryan Gosling do a dumb song and dance number you would have done the same thing.

        It’s funny for actors to play against type because it’s unexpected. Like Leslie Nielsen in “Airplane!”, for example.

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      I absolutely agree, I think you ahem that lead actress should win an Oscar.

      But I think it’s important that we don’t let enjoying things become synonymous with liking (mindless purchasing) the corporate products that are being sold to us at a breakneck pace.

      What ways do we have to still create our own ways to have fun? How can we make our own “weird barbies”?

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        The difference is that you should enjoy things not because nothing matters in this world (that would be hedonism.), but because the world matters to you, and you will fight to make it better.

        There comes a point in everybody’s life where they are faced with their own mortality and finally figure out what they are meant to do. None of us will be here forever, so, I think we should use our short time on this Earth to fight for a world where everyone is free to find their way in life, and be themselves again.

        Kinda vague, but everyone is different, so, everyone will have to figure it out on their own.

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      completely agree. people can have their decorations whenever and whatever else their heart desires, but i draw the line at christmas music

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    I don’t criticize people for enjoying those things, I criticize the corporations for relentlessly monetizing those things, making them insufferable and sucking all the enjoyment out of them for money.

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    Letting go of the part of you that judges other people is important. It hurts, because that is one of the few avenues of control we can experience in our lives alienated by capitlaism.

    Letting your self be free of those childish emotions and learning to replace them with love for your fellows is the path towards true happiness however. That is one of those weird tricks the government doesn’t want you to know. Except it is real and it works. The more negative you are about other people the more negativity you experience and the more treats you need to buy to survive. The heart of every true revolutionary is full of love.

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      You’re welcome to dislike something, but that doesn’t mean you need to discourage someone else from liking that thing. You can share an opinion without making it sound like it’s a sin against nature to disagree with that opinion.

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          PSLs are gross, overly sugarladen drinks and emblematic of both crass consumerism and America’s obsession with unhealthy food. Halloween decorations are gaudy and an eyesore and also emblematic of crass consumerism, while also representing a non-trivial amount of non-biodegradable plastic waste that just winds up buried in landfills every year.

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            Ahh yes, the classic emblem of America’s crass consumerism checks notes flavored coffee.

            PSLs and Halloween decorations are bourgeois decadance, clearly.

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              No, not flavored coffee. PSLs. Different things. It’s like saying “pork sandwiches” when someone brings up the McRib. It’s not that simple. Food has a cultural component tied to its manufacture and identification. And, similar to the McRib, Starbucks style PSLs are food that probably shouldn’t exist and which only does as a byproduct of market capitalism. They’re the Lacanian ‘object a’ - an empty, manufactured falseness. We don’t desire the thing itself, but the thing whose absence it symbolizes. What you’re really consuming when you drink a PSL or a McRib is its innate mechanical predictability.

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                Have you considered the possibility that some people like the taste of pumpkin spice lattes? Or do you just get to dismiss everything you personally dislike as “The Lacanian ‘object a?’” You could substitute literally any food or drink for PSLs in what you said, it’s completely meaningless.

                It’s just empty words and phrases for you to feel superior to others based on what treats you enjoy or don’t enjoy.

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      I mean a lot of hexbear, and Lemmy in general, is like that. Just shitting on other people’s happiness over the most trivial of things, bringing out 500 reasons why thing sucks. And it’s done in a hypocritical manner too, if you were to apply their own logic to things they liked and criticise it, they’d get really angry or give you that fake “I don’t care” attitude that everyone can see through. This happens with every discussion about “treats” on hexbear in particular.

      a little meme

      dean-smile Me shitting on other people’s “treats”

      dean-frown Other people shitting on my “treats”

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    You had me until the too early decorations. The other things don’t take away my joy. That does.

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      Also harm isn’t why people care. Its the erosion of well defined seasons in order to push corporate products on us and in the end we get fucked up melding of events like remembrance day while people are preoccupied trying to get Christmas shopping in.

      It turns what was once cultural events into corporate buy shit quarters. Because its easier for Walmart to sell Christmas stuff in October then wait until it’s the season.

      Its a loss and erosion of an important shared culture in favor of only corporate sponsored ones.

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    The problem here is that all of these people have turned their consumer choices into their identities and thus they feel personally attacked whenever they hear criticism of the products they consume.

    It’s incredibly unhealthy and something everyone should work to weed out of their mindset if they want to grow as a person instead of being perpetually unhappy because others criticising things isn’t going anywhere.

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    Isn’t the whole gripe with Pumpkin Spiced whatever the same with Christmas decorations popping up in mid-October? Like, its not fucking special if you’re putting nutmeg in my coffee in June.

    Same with the D&D / Marvel / Roblox / Whatever fandom of choice. It was fine twenty years ago when it was the New Thing. Now we’re pushing 100+ hours of Disneyfied extended universe content on Marvel alone. Half my “recommended” podcast feed is six C-list celebrities making the soy face in front of a pair of crossed battle axes. And my street is lined with shitty faux-bakery corporate cafeterias trying to sell a piece of rye bread covered in guacamole for $15/slice.

    Who actually enjoys this shit anymore? It feels like I’m being sealed into Disneyland, like a Pharaoh buried alive in his pyramid. It stopped being fun ages ago. Now I’m torn between boredom and horror.

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      You missed the entire point. If you’re bored with it all, that’s valid. If you don’t like psls too early, that’s valid. But let other people enjoy things. If they get enjoyment out of these products, does that really negatively affect you?

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        let other people enjoy things

        What if they aren’t enjoying it?

        What if they’re just getting caught up in the oppressive frenzy of hype culture, getting bombarded with ad-induced anxiety, or simply trying to fit in with whatever they’re told is “normal”? What if the emperor has no clothes but we’re all told its rude to point?

        Am I allowed to make fun of Morbius? Or is that haram under the Let People Enjoy Things rubric?

        If they get enjoyment out of these products, does that really negatively affect you?

        If its getting injected into every webpage, spamming up my email, blaring across the radio, on billboards along every mile of road, and natively included in every other media venue I visit?

        Yeah.

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          So who cares then? Stop worrying about other people and worry about yourself. Let other people enjoy things you think are a waste of time. If the worst it does is some billboards and spam, then it’s the same as all the other spam. Letting yourself get worked up over it is only affecting you. You aren’t making them better, you’re making yourself worse with anger. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go enjoy a pumpkin spice latte.

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              Right, but they don’t feel like they’re suffering, they’re out enjoying things. You’re the one who is suffering, and it’s only because you’re letting it.

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                they don’t feel like they’re suffering

                I’ve heard people who get tattoos often enough begin to enjoy the feel of the needle on their skin. So who are you to say tattooing bar codes on everyone’s necks is a bad thing? Don’t yuck my yum!

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                  Christ then be mad at advertisers then, not the people who enjoy things. I don’t know man, just sounds like you’re going to be triggered by almost anything if people drinking coffee they like triggers you this much. I don’t know how to help you with that or what you want from me.

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              Is it equally valid to complain about seeing ads for Mother’s Day gifts when your mother was a drug addict and extensively abusive? Because that applies to me personally, and let me tell you, during the entire lead up to Mother’s Day, and all the ads they make claiming how much your mother gives up for you, and loves you, and cherishes you… I don’t complain even a bit.

              Because other people have mothers who do love them. And they’re the target of those ads, not me.

              How disgustingly privileged it is to proclaim that since you aren’t the target of advertising, it shouldn’t exist.

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                I’d wager that because were the targets of advertising, it shouldn’t exist. Ok my problem isn’t with advertising, per se, but with the insane shit it’s been since Bernays.

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                Ads for Mother’s Day gifts are indeed valid to complain about, regardless of one’s situation, because they cheapen their bond between mother and child to a transactional relationship, not uplift moms.

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        If someone liking something I don’t like doesn’t negatively impact me then doesn’t that mean that me not liking something that someone likes doesn’t negatively impact them?

        If so then why does any of this matter? They’re free to gush on about the thing and I’m free to complain about it.

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          They want narrative control and they want a squishy feel good world without any critiques. Poptimism and it’s consequences has been amazing for corporate brands who can now act like victims when the biggest franchises on earth are mocked, and their fans do the victim whining on their behalf

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      downbear

      I don’t think anybody’s being pressured into drinking pumpkin spice lattes or eating avocado toast lmao. D&D is a fun and good creative, sociable activity and more people getting into it is good, actually.

      Any popular thing is going to have hype around it, that doesn’t mean that it’s inherently bad. You’re free to dislike popular stuff but saying it’s bad just because it’s popular is a bad take.

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    If I can’t criticize every insignificant difference in lifestyle that I have with a stranger that I probably won’t ever talk to again in my life. How else will I stroke my ego and fulfill my basic need of feeling superior to others?