Speaking of the headline, politicians when encouraged to attempt peace through negotiation rather than insisting on decisive victory being the only way
not sure why you are facepalming, I live in a neighboring country to Ukraine and a lot of people here according to polls think that Ukraine should just give up Crimea and accept peace.
From the rest of the world’s point of view, Ukraine had already accepted it’s loss in 2014.
It was only when Russia went “well we’ll have the rest of the country as well then!” that all the other countries decided to help out. Because Europe’s been here before. Nobody stops after just one country. It’s like Jaffa Cakes. You just keep going until there’s none left.
not sure why you are facepalming, I live in a neighboring country to Ukraine and a lot of people here according to polls think that Ukraine should just give up Crimea and accept peace.
That’s the frying pan saying “at least I’m not as bad as the fire!”
I genuinely want peace through negotiation and equally genuinely believe that the war is the result of the imperialist ambitions and heinous actions of the despicable war criminal Putin. Clear enough for you?
yeah but as it stands the “peace treaty” involves Ukraine giving up the occupied territories. SO you can’t really be pro Ukraine and pro peace treaty at the same time.
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends.
If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. And Russia is more likely to try again in another neighbor. Like they have multiple times already.
Letting Russia consolidate its territorial gains, build bases and continue the war in a few years is a terrible idea. They are more than welcome to turn their tanks around and leave Ukraine.
Ooh, big tough guy brave enough to be against peace and diplomacy in badly translated Ukrainian!
Just for the record, I am not, nor have I ever been a “Russian warship” nor have I ever been on the side of the war criminal Putin.
“You’re either with us and declare our warlike methods perfect or you’re with the enemy” was bullshit when Dubya said a simplified version of it in the early 2000s and it’s not any more true now.
The original sentence was in Russian, not Ukrainian.
How attacked you felt by that quote says a lot.
The only ones who get to decide Ukraine’s future are the Ukrainians. We rich removed here in the West with our comfortable lives should shut the fuck up.
The original sentence was in Russian, not Ukrainian.
The translator detected it as Ukrainian, not my fault I don’t speak either language, contrary to your childish insinuations 🤷
How attacked you felt by that quote says a lot.
I agree that it said a lot that I just calmy corrected you while lightly mocking your tough guy act rather than let your nonsense bother me.
The only ones who get to decide Ukraine’s future are the Ukrainians. We rich removed here in the West with our comfortable lives should shut the fuck up.
You know that’s exactly what pro-Russian Ukrainians who are ACTUALLY cheering for Putin’s war say, right?
Neither you, nor the victims of war nor the perpetrators of war get to decide what I think about war. That’s not how ideology works.
I’m not gonna do a quote war on a nice Saturday afternoon. I’ll just say this: fuck putin and fuck his dumb fucking war. If you disagree with that I hope you’ll come to your senses on your own, since I can’t force you
Speaking of the headline, politicians when encouraged to attempt peace through negotiation rather than insisting on decisive victory being the only way![](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f6938ed2-9233-47ae-902c-8e922c70ac17.jpeg)
can’t tell if this is some genuine post, or pro-russia shilling for peace negotiationing between Ukraine and Russia
As the red starred soldiers give up to the blue banded I’ve got an opinion on that topic.
not sure why you are facepalming, I live in a neighboring country to Ukraine and a lot of people here according to polls think that Ukraine should just give up Crimea and accept peace.
From the rest of the world’s point of view, Ukraine had already accepted it’s loss in 2014.
It was only when Russia went “well we’ll have the rest of the country as well then!” that all the other countries decided to help out. Because Europe’s been here before. Nobody stops after just one country. It’s like Jaffa Cakes. You just keep going until there’s none left.
what does that have to do with anything?
It means that giving up Crimea doesn’t end in peace, it’s just pushing the problem to the next time Russia decides to invade again.
“Guys, give up and get yourselves colonized, we’re mildly inconvenienced!”
Peace in our time!
That’s the frying pan saying “at least I’m not as bad as the fire!”
that makes no sense what you just wrote
I genuinely want peace through negotiation and equally genuinely believe that the war is the result of the imperialist ambitions and heinous actions of the despicable war criminal Putin. Clear enough for you?
yeah but as it stands the “peace treaty” involves Ukraine giving up the occupied territories. SO you can’t really be pro Ukraine and pro peace treaty at the same time.
Of course I can. This isn’t some dumbed down video game on rails where you get one treaty from however many years ago and that’s it.
There’s happened a shitload since then, most of it to detriment of the ones that demanded territorial concessions at the start of the war.
If anything, you can’t be pro the regular people of Ukraine who are needlessly being shelled if you’re not pro negotiation of a better peace treaty.
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. And Russia is more likely to try again in another neighbor. Like they have multiple times already.
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Letting Russia consolidate its territorial gains, build bases and continue the war in a few years is a terrible idea. They are more than welcome to turn their tanks around and leave Ukraine.
Русскии военыи корабл, иди на хуй.
Ooh, big tough guy brave enough to be against peace and diplomacy in badly translated Ukrainian!
Just for the record, I am not, nor have I ever been a “Russian warship” nor have I ever been on the side of the war criminal Putin.
“You’re either with us and declare our warlike methods perfect or you’re with the enemy” was bullshit when Dubya said a simplified version of it in the early 2000s and it’s not any more true now.
The original sentence was in Russian, not Ukrainian.
How attacked you felt by that quote says a lot.
The only ones who get to decide Ukraine’s future are the Ukrainians. We rich removed here in the West with our comfortable lives should shut the fuck up.
The translator detected it as Ukrainian, not my fault I don’t speak either language, contrary to your childish insinuations 🤷
I agree that it said a lot that I just calmy corrected you while lightly mocking your tough guy act rather than let your nonsense bother me.
You know that’s exactly what pro-Russian Ukrainians who are ACTUALLY cheering for Putin’s war say, right?
Neither you, nor the victims of war nor the perpetrators of war get to decide what I think about war. That’s not how ideology works.
I’m not gonna do a quote war on a nice Saturday afternoon. I’ll just say this: fuck putin and fuck his dumb fucking war. If you disagree with that I hope you’ll come to your senses on your own, since I can’t force you
Of course. That’s what I’ve been saying all along.