Is it just me or does 30 years to life seem longer than you would expect? I’m not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape. I’m just saying that if I had to guess what kind of sentence someone would get for 2 counts of rape, I’d have guessed something like 15 years at most. It seems especially unusual given that he’s rich, white, and presumably a first-time offender.
If the sentence is unusually long, would that mean an appeal is more likely to be successful?
After the rapist Brock Turner was given a slap on the wrist, California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
He was accused of 3 rapes but convicted of 2. He received the maximum sentencing for each.
His lawyers are likely going to fight the conviction constantly until the money runs dry.
My personal thought is the conviction is unlikely to be overturned but a sentence reduction is likely. So he got the maximum sentence. Danny will likely be behind bars for at least 6-10 years for his crimes.
That’s the right Brock Turner who was sentenced to 6 months and was released after 3 months. Judge Aaron Persky thought a longer sentence would unduly harm the rapist, Brock Allen Turner.
I think they’re referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
I think they’re referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
I knew about Brock Turner, but I didn’t know California passed new laws as a result. Do you mean mandatory minimum sentences? Or was the maximum raised too? Would 15 years have been illegal for Turner, but is legal for Masterson?
6-10 years for his crimes.
6-10 years is more what I would have expected given his fame and wealth. I wouldn’t have been surprised at 15. But, 30 to life seems more like what I’d expect from a second-degree murder sentence for someone with a criminal history, not rape by a rich white Hollywood celebrity.
Sentencing has never made much sense. Depends upon jurisdiction, how many charges prosecutors can tack on, how many you end up going to trial over, how many you get convicted over, and who is responsible for sentencing (in some places the jury sentence, in some the trial judge, in others sentencing is a separate proceeding with a separate judge).
One of the big factors here is that Masterson and his lawyers still deny everything. He didn’t cut a deal, hasn’t shown remorse since he hasn’t admitted to any wrong-doing, and the judge chose to sentence consecutively. First trial was a mistrial, second trial got 2/3 convictions, and apparently they intend to appeal. So depending upon appeal, he is currently facing somewhere between being acquitted on appeal to facing life in prison. In a lot of cases like this, some sort of deal is cut on lesser charges or lesser sentencing in exchange for admitting guilt and not dragging this on through appeal, hence typically shorter sentences. Masterson/his lawyers are instead rolling d20s and the current outcome is a 1.
It varies a hell of a lot by state. Some states will give 40+ years for one rape, some will give under 10 years for multiple rapes. Add in the biases of individual judges, the person being charged, their status, jury biases, etc, and it ends up kinda all over the place.
Be prepared to see how many people rise up to say life minimum when it comes to rape. Of course, I just see that as people admitting the system fails the incarcerated and punishes rather than rehabilitates.
That article talks about the rape, and talks about things that the Scientology cult did on Masterson’s behalf. But, I don’t see anything in there about other evil shit that he has done / been accused of doing. What sorts of things are you talking about?
Don’t you mean that almost all other sentences for rape seem far too short?
There were several aggravating factors here. A long sentence is surprising given that he is a wealthy, white man. But it’s absolutely justified (in the current carceral context, of which I strongly disapprove).
I didn’t say you were. I’m suggesting the sentence only seems long to you because you grew up in a world full of Brock Turners. If you’re not arguing about what the correct sentence should be, that is the only possible interpretation of what you said. Your perspective has been warped by your experience of this world that we live in.
I was surprised by the 30 years, but mostly because it seems like I’ve heard a lot of stories of people getting 15 to life for murder, which seems short. I always expect murder to have the most severe punishment. Of course it sounds like this was multiple counts, which can add up.
Yeah, seems high. I’ve known someone that got 10 years for attempted murder (shot someone). I’m not in favor of long sentences like these in general. If a person is not going to rehabilitated in 10 years, then I don’t think adding another 20 years is going to help. Same thing if you look at it from a deterrent perspective (if 10 years isn’t a deterrent, then any sentence probably wouldn’t be). If a person could never be rehabilitated and they would pose a danger to others if released, then a life sentence would probably be the best.
Is it just me or does 30 years to life seem longer than you would expect? I’m not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape. I’m just saying that if I had to guess what kind of sentence someone would get for 2 counts of rape, I’d have guessed something like 15 years at most. It seems especially unusual given that he’s rich, white, and presumably a first-time offender.
If the sentence is unusually long, would that mean an appeal is more likely to be successful?
After the rapist Brock Turner was given a slap on the wrist, California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
He was accused of 3 rapes but convicted of 2. He received the maximum sentencing for each.
His lawyers are likely going to fight the conviction constantly until the money runs dry.
My personal thought is the conviction is unlikely to be overturned but a sentence reduction is likely. So he got the maximum sentence. Danny will likely be behind bars for at least 6-10 years for his crimes.
You do mean Brock Allen Turner, who was a student at Standford and was convicted of rape from an incident on January 18, 2015?
I hate to be wrong on that we’re talking about two different Brock Allen Turners.
That’s the right Brock Turner who was sentenced to 6 months and was released after 3 months. Judge Aaron Persky thought a longer sentence would unduly harm the rapist, Brock Allen Turner.
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I wouldn’t be mad if a trash truck hit him and forgot to pick him up.
I think they’re referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
Didn’t rapist Brock Turner change his name or something?
I think they’re referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
The rapist Allen Turner is the same person. Yes. Allen Turner is a rapist.
I knew about Brock Turner, but I didn’t know California passed new laws as a result. Do you mean mandatory minimum sentences? Or was the maximum raised too? Would 15 years have been illegal for Turner, but is legal for Masterson?
6-10 years is more what I would have expected given his fame and wealth. I wouldn’t have been surprised at 15. But, 30 to life seems more like what I’d expect from a second-degree murder sentence for someone with a criminal history, not rape by a rich white Hollywood celebrity.
maybe they tried him as a black adult? you know how sometimes they try minors as adults
Judge Rules White Girl Will Be Tried As Black Adult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84phU8of02U
Sentencing has never made much sense. Depends upon jurisdiction, how many charges prosecutors can tack on, how many you end up going to trial over, how many you get convicted over, and who is responsible for sentencing (in some places the jury sentence, in some the trial judge, in others sentencing is a separate proceeding with a separate judge).
One of the big factors here is that Masterson and his lawyers still deny everything. He didn’t cut a deal, hasn’t shown remorse since he hasn’t admitted to any wrong-doing, and the judge chose to sentence consecutively. First trial was a mistrial, second trial got 2/3 convictions, and apparently they intend to appeal. So depending upon appeal, he is currently facing somewhere between being acquitted on appeal to facing life in prison. In a lot of cases like this, some sort of deal is cut on lesser charges or lesser sentencing in exchange for admitting guilt and not dragging this on through appeal, hence typically shorter sentences. Masterson/his lawyers are instead rolling d20s and the current outcome is a 1.
It’s longer than I’d expect, but it’s what it should be, so it’s refreshing that a judge somewhere is taking rape seriously.
Compared to the rapist Brock Turner it sure seems like a lot. Brock Turner the rapist got a very light sentence.
I have a feeling Brock will get what’s coming to him down the road
It varies a hell of a lot by state. Some states will give 40+ years for one rape, some will give under 10 years for multiple rapes. Add in the biases of individual judges, the person being charged, their status, jury biases, etc, and it ends up kinda all over the place.
Kind of makes sense to just have all of our justice dictated by robots, at that point.
At least then there’d be some consistency.
That’s a different ridiculous extreme, not better.
Be prepared to see how many people rise up to say life minimum when it comes to rape. Of course, I just see that as people admitting the system fails the incarcerated and punishes rather than rehabilitates.
If you give harsher punishment for rape than murder, you are just trasforming every rape in a murder rape.
he’s also done lots of other evil shit.
https://www.rollingstone.com /music/music-news/cedric-bixler-zavala-reacts-danny-masterson-rape-conviction-scientology-1234745344/amp/
That article talks about the rape, and talks about things that the Scientology cult did on Masterson’s behalf. But, I don’t see anything in there about other evil shit that he has done / been accused of doing. What sorts of things are you talking about?
I might have misremembered him poisoning their dogs, but he did emotionally and physically abuse her. That’s primarily what I was referring to.
Don’t you mean that almost all other sentences for rape seem far too short?
There were several aggravating factors here. A long sentence is surprising given that he is a wealthy, white man. But it’s absolutely justified (in the current carceral context, of which I strongly disapprove).
No, in fact I specifically said:
I didn’t say you were. I’m suggesting the sentence only seems long to you because you grew up in a world full of Brock Turners. If you’re not arguing about what the correct sentence should be, that is the only possible interpretation of what you said. Your perspective has been warped by your experience of this world that we live in.
I was surprised by the 30 years, but mostly because it seems like I’ve heard a lot of stories of people getting 15 to life for murder, which seems short. I always expect murder to have the most severe punishment. Of course it sounds like this was multiple counts, which can add up.
I used to have a friend that did 8 years for murder. Dude hit the 3 strike rule though he’s out for life no parole.
Honestly, had the same thought
Yeah, seems high. I’ve known someone that got 10 years for attempted murder (shot someone). I’m not in favor of long sentences like these in general. If a person is not going to rehabilitated in 10 years, then I don’t think adding another 20 years is going to help. Same thing if you look at it from a deterrent perspective (if 10 years isn’t a deterrent, then any sentence probably wouldn’t be). If a person could never be rehabilitated and they would pose a danger to others if released, then a life sentence would probably be the best.