Now I’m just curious what data they’re collecting and how. Like are they seeing if I’m getting down in the back seat or getting road head on the highway, or are they pulling this info off a connected phone?

They also want you genetic material. I wonder why.

Excuse me, sir, but… what?

Also Kia. What are the odds that two car companies would think of something like this?

The suspension team is led by a perfectionist.

That’s super weird

Probably in some jurisdictions they are medical equipment and regulated as such

If you get a bunch of them together, you have a herd

TAPR or CERN OHL, probably— Kit cars do already exist, though are apparently aimed at hobbyists, and usually just partial cosmetic customizations. “Metal box on wheels with motor” ain’t exactly rocket science, although quality could be challenging and that’s especially important when it comes to safety.

That said, surely the production costs of modern vehicles needed to do their basic job— Efficient-ish and safe-ish transportation from point A to point B­— Can’t possibly be worth their increasingly inflated costs? There’s probably something to be said about the marketability of a sub-$10,000 basic OHL car that you can choose to scratch build or kit-build or buy fully built.

And get a lawsuit

cd /code/cars/manufacturers/nissan/altima

make -B

cp -r /* /var/www

Curl https://192.168.1.2/cars/built/altima

Downloaded a goddamn car son.

Probably would vary depending upon the brand, but I wonder how hard it would be to disable the network. At some point would the vehicle refuse to operate without a network connection?

If experience has taught me anything, it’s that things can always get worse.

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No, just need courts to do their fucking job correctly. Making new laws to fix problems only works when they are enforced properly. If courts and governments did what they are supposed to do then we wouldnt be where we are. But here we are

OnStar has been a thing since '96. They’ve been putting antennas on cars to locate or other wise track them for a long time. One of the things that bothers me about this article is that they don’t say what year models or anything. While I’m sure that for the most part not all the automakers started this practice the exact same year, I am sure there was a starting point. Before then they couldn’t track you. After they could. That’s kind of disappointing. There are some people who think there early 2000’s cars are safe. I am not so sure.

They also don’t mention the fact that if they are using 3G or 2G or Edge components chances are they can’t still be collecting data on users driving those vehicles. But anything with a newer onboard modem would be effected I should think.

The cars themselves have connectivity that can be transmitted over cellular networks (same as/similar to whatever OnStar uses). Plus if you ever connect your phone via Bluetooth to listen to music or plug it directly into the car with a cable that can transfer data, standard protocol on a lot of cars is to just download everything off the phone that it can access.

They’ve all got cell phone modems in them essentially. They use LTE or whatever it’s called these days.

Purely theoretical as I don’t have any sources on how cars are doing this, but they could be communicating over low band networks similar to how Amazon home devices make a mesh network. Your car could send data to another car of the same manufacturer, who then phones home that data.

Phone screens are very small and hard to see while driving.

But no, it isn’t. And I have disabled any connectivity in the last 4 cars I have owned.

1 phone is tiny 2 phone doesn’t know what your vehicle charge is at and where to charge

We don’t know how far back this problem will affect the automakers in question, but I can tell you that OnStar services launched in 1996. So don’t be surprised if your car does in fact have an internet connection. Unless I guess you don’t own a car. In that case, congrats.

Mozilla has a separate article about how data is collected.

There is a very good chance it is collecting and sending data even if you aren’t subscribing to the services. The modem is there, GPS is there, sensors are there, and someone will pay for information about you. It’s a no brainer for them.

(Mozilla’s full Privacy Not Included breaks stuff down by manufacturer)

Almost 100%

The radios are used to push software updates and I think you can turn on emergency onstar/onstar-equivalent for a lot of vehicles. You are mostly paying to use the radio yourself and to cover additional data overheads.

Depends on the car but I’d hazard that yes it does. If it has a data connection according to some others in this thread and on other posts, they turn it on regardless of whether or not you subscribe for services. So for instance you still can get Sirius XM ads and so on if you have Sirius satellite radio installed as part of your cars package. If they can send you ads chances are they want to know if they’re effective and they want to better target those ads. Easy to do when they monitor which radio stations you have programmed and which ones you listen to most etc.

Following this cause that was my question too

Not everyone has an unlimited data plan, and also other devices might be in the car to watch things or play games.

It depends. Does any of them have a phone app?

Huh?! If I look at the source of the article at Mozilla, Tesla is actually ranked as almost least creepy.

So I do not understand where this is coming from. Also the picture of the article only showing teslas is highly suggestive

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/cars/

This is very confusing

1. I thought this discussion was about privacy?

2. Autopilot has never been “involved” in a crash anymore than your parking sensors have. It is a driver assistance system. It manages your cruise control and keeps you between the lines on the highway. The “driver” (you know, the person operating the vehicle) is the one responsible for avoiding crashes.