As more and more states pass laws targeting “pornographic material” in books and online, they are repeatedly running up against a problem: The Bible has not just a few passages that could be considered indecent

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    353
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    10 months ago

    The Davis School District initially removed the Bible from school libraries after a review determined it did include “vulgar” content. But the school board unanimously reversed its decision after a review by an appeal committee determined the text has " significant, serious value for minors which outweighs the violent or vulgar content it contains," the AP reported.

    There’s no hypocrisy here.

    • Alien Nathan Edward@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      59
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      10 months ago

      We all knew they were gonna figure out a way that the law doesn’t apply to them and the stuff they like. That’s like the fundamental constant of conservatives, it’s different when we do it because we’re not those people.

    • SeaJ@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      40
      ·
      10 months ago

      Porn just needs some inspirational quotes to go along with it.

    • socsa@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      37
      ·
      10 months ago

      TBF understanding that horses are known for their voluminous ejaculation is critical knowledge for children.

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      34
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      Time to start giving the kids leaflets that highlight all the Communist teachings of Christ. Use The Bible to radicalize the youth!

      Betcha they yank the book, tout suite.

      • Kittenstix@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        ·
        edit-2
        10 months ago

        They’d just lie and say the pamphlets are twisting Jesus’ words and use that as a pretext to ban the pamphlets.

        Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug

        • AmberPrince@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          10 months ago

          They would also use it as an excuse to try and teach the Bible in schools. Ya know, to correct the misinformation in those pamphlets.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        10 months ago

        Well, church leaders have been reporting that the sermon on the mount (or whatever) is being criticized as woke. Maybe there’s something to this idea after all.

  • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    102
    ·
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    The Davis School District initially removed the Bible from school libraries after a review determined it did include “vulgar” content. But the school board unanimously reversed its decision after a review by an appeal committee determined the text has " significant, serious value for minors which outweighs the violent or vulgar content it contains," the AP reported.

    Now to challenge the “significant, serious” value. Truth before law is based on facts, right?

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      26
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      Upthread I suggested leaflets that use chapter and verse to highlight the Communist teachings of The Christ. Radicalize the youth using The Bible!

      Betcha they yank the book, almost immediately.

  • creamed_eels@toast.ooo
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    62
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Deuteronomy 28:53-57, where you eat the flesh of your own children seems kinda indecent

    • kromem@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      24
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      10 months ago

      Less indecent if it’s remnant from the days of a famine.

      A mistake a lot of people make in analyzing the text is in assuming the official story about its origin, contents, and authorship is correct outside supernatural stuff.

      But there’s actually a compelling case Noah was originally a story about escaping a famine, so there may well have been a period when eating the flesh of one’s children was a part of the ancestral history of the people transmitting the stories.

      The Geeks have similar stories.

      It may well be that Deuteronomy 28:48-57 isn’t a warning about a certain future event, but a warning from similar things having happened many times before.

      Eating your family because an army whose language you don’t even know is sieging your city and you are all starving is probably just a fairly common part of many generations of history around the world during those times.

      There’s much worse things in the Bible than likely representative history.

      • sceada@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        10 months ago

        The Geeks have similar stories.

        I’m sure they do, especially in their D&D Campaigns.

      • creamed_eels@toast.ooo
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        10 months ago

        Fair, but you’re looking at it from a good faith perspective that examines the spirit of the “law” for want of a better term, rather than the literal meaning of it, as I did. That was a deliberate glibness on my part because I wanted to examine and interpret it in the same way that the bible apologists and literalists do in order to cherry pick passages in the bible to further their hateful idiot agenda. You can find and interpret both support and condemnation in the bible for anything, often in the same passage depending on who’s reading it. Thanks for the interesting link!

    • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      10 months ago

      Or pretty much all of Song of Solomon.

      Example (Song of Solomon 7:6‭-‬9):

      How beautiful you are and how pleasing, my love, with your delights! Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit. I said, “I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.” May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. May the wine go straight to my beloved, flowing gently over lips and teeth.

    • FoxBJK@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      114
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      Unfortunately not only is Reddit still chugging along, Lemmy is slowly losing users.

      Growing new communities is very hard and takes a long time.

      EDIT - Adding my source

      • MagicShel@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        57
        ·
        edit-2
        10 months ago

        It sucks to get to the end of social media. On Reddit I could always find plenty of posts with hundreds of comments and many were worth reading or replying to. Lemmy absolutely has good content and good comments, but you can get to the end where there’s no more. It probably doesn’t help that I’ve been much quicker to block people over the cut of their jib. I don’t come here to argue or hate people more than I already do, so I spend a lot less time and words embroiled in pointless conflict.

        But I still haven’t been back to Reddit and won’t. When I get to the end of content I find myself going to TikTok or Instagram - two things that I’ve never liked but at least it’s a stress free way to kill time, just louder.

        • FReddit@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          32
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          10 months ago

          I feel the same way. On Reddit, they used to joke that the best material was in the comments.

          I’ve been using Sync and Thunder . There are lots of posts but often no comments at all.

          Sometimes it feels like a big cave of silence.

          • UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            10 months ago

            It actually has been motivating me to comment a lot more than I did on Reddit. I feel like I actually have something to contribute. On Reddit, I would lurk more because my thoughts usually have already been expressed by someone else.

            • FReddit@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              10 months ago

              I kind of lurked a lot on Reddit, largely because I was afraid of getting attacked.

              Lemmy seems nicer at this point, but God knows what we are in for.

          • PeleSpirit@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            10 months ago

            Or the comments are empty sounding like bots. It was getting like that months before the API issues.

            • FReddit@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              10 months ago

              I’m kind of confused about bots. I mean some self identity. But others…

              It’s kind of creepy

              • PeleSpirit@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                10 months ago

                They’re everywhere over reddit. They’re a bit here too, but not so bad it’s even an issue. Most of the bots here are to signal to someone to come harass or they upvote certain posts, so more benign.

        • ZeroCool@feddit.ch
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          10 months ago

          Lemmy absolutely has good content and good comments, but you can get to the end where there’s no more.

          That’s what Reddit was like 12 years ago when I joined. Frankly, I’ll take the higher quality community here on Lemmy over the endless scrolling potential and lowest common denominator discussions on modern Reddit.

        • mrnotoriousman@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          10 months ago

          Yeah after 12 years on reddit, I feel this. But on the other hand, I’ve found myself enjoying the extra time I would have been scrolling on the phone and reading a lot more books

        • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          10 months ago

          It probably doesn’t help that I’ve been much quicker to block people over the cut of their jib.

          Something you should consider is that you’re in danger of making your own little personal echo chamber.

          Also, +1 for using the term “the cut of their jib”.

          • MagicShel@programming.dev
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            10 months ago

            That’s definitely possible, but mostly I’ve been blocking over unnecessarily hostile responses either to me or to someone else, not ideology, so hopefully I won’t get too far up my own ass.

      • PeleSpirit@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        55
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        10 months ago

        Is Lemmy losing users or are people finding the one stable instance they like. I have 5 different accounts and I’m only on world for the most part now. It looks like 2 of them are lost users because I never sign in.

  • gabe [he/him]@literature.cafe
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    55
    ·
    10 months ago

    That law is a complete waste of time. It’s inevitable its going to be overturned (if theres at least a shred of common sense in the Virginia courts)

    • rambaroo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      37
      ·
      10 months ago

      The majority of porn sites don’t even bother trying to comply with laws like this and there’s nothing state governments can do about it.

      • Bahnd Rollard@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        24
        ·
        10 months ago

        Yep, sites that wish to comply with the new regulation simply block traffic from those states. Search results for VPNs increase sharply for a few days and nothing really changes.

        Laws arn’t that easy to pass, makes you think if that effort was put into something constructive instead of reinforcing that prohibition doesn’t work…

        • cosmic_slate@dmv.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          ·
          10 months ago

          The law makes it so a person can sue a website operator for making explicit content available without using a commercial ID verification service. This law applies if the site’s contents contain > 33% of whatever-the-legal-term-for-basically-porn is.

          It was made because a legislator is unable to figure out how to set up content filters for their kids: https://wtop.com/virginia/2023/07/why-am-i-getting-threats-seriously-your-porn-va-state-senator-sparks-outrage-with-age-verification-law/

          • morhp@lemmy.wtf
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            10 months ago

            So sites like pornhub now simply need to host two sfw items for every porn video?

            • cosmic_slate@dmv.social
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              10 months ago

              I’ve been joking with friends that porn sites just need to start mandating uploading 2-3 foot pics for every nsfw bit of content.

              Imagine the hilarity of seeing someone argue that feet can be NSFW in court.

          • uranibaba@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            10 months ago

            How does the law work? Does it force websites outside of VA to use ID verification, or are ISPs requried to block no compliant sites?

            • cosmic_slate@dmv.social
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              10 months ago

              I’m but a mere mortal neckbeard on the internet so I could be wrong here but…

              …it’s enforcement mechanism is sort of like the Texas abortion law. Please understand, I don’t want to risk trivializing the cruelty of Texas’ law by comparing it to porn, but it’s enforcement mechanism seems well-known at this point for me to use as an example.

              They’re relying on residents of Virginia to enforce the law by enabling citizens to sue porn sites if the porn site doesn’t use a commercial service to verify IDs. The state itself cannot sue an organization under this law. But nothing is stopping some political organization from bankrolling a few lawsuits from “concerned Virginians”.

              Some sites like Pornhub have decided to just block access to IPs geolocated in Virginia so that they can say they aren’t serving content to Virginians.

              This law does not force ISPs to block content, nor does it prohibit individual people from accessing porn. It puts the responsibility on the site hosting content.

              Now the ultra-terrifying thing that nobody has been talking about: Virginia has a LOT of datacenters – odds are if you’re hitting almost anything on the internet, you’re hitting a service that has servers in Virginia or depends on servers in Virginia. I’m afraid that Virginia lawmakers may try to start legislating based on this.

  • elevenfingerfrk@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    47
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Judges:19 where a guy throws his side piece to a crowd that wants to rape him in hopes they’ll be satisfied with raping her instead.

  • fne8w2ah@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    24
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    Spez may be a hurensohn but at least Reddit users still have their heads screwed tight.

  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    10 months ago

    Has someone started reading the other source books? They can’t be perfectly clean either.