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Rising GOP support for the U.S. taking unilateral military action in Mexico against drug cartels is increasingly rattling people on both sides of the border who worry talk of an attack is getting normalized.
Wednesday’s Republican presidential primary debate featured high-stakes policy disagreements on a range of issues from abortion to the environment — but found near-unanimous consensus on the idea of using American military force to fight drug smuggling and migration.
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That’s completely out of the question in the Nanny States of America. The republicans want their “small government” to tell you what you’re allowed to put in or do to your own body, so free will would never be acceptable.
They need to manufacture a new “war on terror” to distract the media and population through their coup and robbery.
Unfortunately the cartels saw this coming with marijuana legalization and now aare in every industry in mexico. Avocados are already legal and the cartel makes a lot of money from them already. The cats out of the bag and it’s frankly to late to just end the war on drugs and see the country revert. Also even if meth is legal to consume are we saying that the US goverment would start producing meth?
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They’re like Apple: Create a problem, provide a solution that others have to pay you for, make bank
That’s a naive view. Do you think cartels will dismiss themselves at that point? Or that mobs will somehow become lawful citizens?
Also, do you think there is a positive scenario of consuming cocaine or opiates? Those drugs induce heavy addiction and take a great toll from your mind and body.
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Leave those cases to medical professionals. They already have access to opiates, by the way.
Question is can you respond without moving the goal posts you set because if you used such a tactic I would block you for not being a serious adult.
That doesn’t sound very mature of you.
And the topic is very complex and had more than one aspect. One of them - cartels. Another - drugs they sell.
So you’re in favor of banning alcohol and sugar, right?
Alcohol - yes. Though it seems there are ways of consuming it without getting addiction. And that’s not the case with cocaine and opiates.
Sugar - not so much. Addiction and physical harm is real, but not on the same level. Also it’s very hard to effectively forbid sugar. I think it’s unreal.
you falsely assume all users of cocaine and opiates to be addicted. If that would be the case, then medical use wouldnt be possible.
These substances are very addictive and need to be treated with great respect and caution. Something that is not possible in the environment created by their criminalization.
These substances are very addictive and need to be treated with great respect and caution.
Exactly. They are dangerous to the level I don’t trust ordinary people to use them, only medical professionals
criminalization fails to prevent use by “ordinary people”.
It is the same like with sex ed. People who teach their teenagers about the risks and how to minimize them have much better success at preventing teen pregnancy or stds for their children than those that go the “wait till marriage or go to hell!” way.
In the same way countries that have introduced programs for harm reduction like drug checking, consume rooms, needle exchanges etc. suffer much less drug related deaths, or problems like HIV and Hep C.
But you cannot do harm reduction, social care and addiction prevention in an environment where the only people that drug users can talk about drugs with are other users and dealers.
How high are you right meow?
Not high at all. You?
Very invasive and authoritarian of you.
Preach
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It would be trivial to harm their business by undercutting prices and making drug use safe in sanctioned areas. Reducing their cash flow is paramount to reducing their power. That can be easily done by legalizing and regulating drugs.
Then they will gladly offer drugs to anybody who is disqualified to get it legally. And anywhere, not only in sanctioned area. And / or will offer “more potent”, but illegal forms of drugs.
As you mentioned, it’s organised institutions. They won’t go away peacefully.Would you do crack or heroine just because it is legal? I wouldn’t.
I won’t too. But it’s just anecdotes. People are always looking for new pleasures. Where do you think new opiate users comes from?
New (street) opiate users usually come from people who have had mismanaged chronic pain conditions because of the absolutely horrific campaign by the pharmaceutical companies to push opioids. If we had better, non-pharmaceutical pain management programs involving stuff like physical therapy and mental healthcare, then there would be more viable options than opioids. Also, modifying the medical system to be more accessible so people can get care before something becomes a chronic pain problem would be helpful.
The other necessary modification is to change the system so that doctors can spend more than ten minutes with each patient, but that would require an overhaul of the medical education system from undergrad through residency to create more physicians.
Have you experienced either? I didn’t think so.
That’s your argument? Really?
Have you?
You are exactly correct. We can legalize and sell marijuana (and certain other drugs, probably psychadelics. That’s for experts to decide.) like is already being done, but you simply cannot have recreational use of drugs like narcotics and cocaine.
They are simply too irresistible. It would lead to a massive public health crisis with phenomenal social consequences and so, so much death.
Now, I think drug abuse needs to be treated not criminally, but as the health issue that it is.
However, there will still be demand, and that will have to be fulfilled illicitly.
The idea that Cocaine is simpy too irresistible is not convincing to me. As a matter of fact availability is not really an issue, yet most people are not cocaine addicts. Also of regular users the majority is not addicted in the sense of needing it daily. Further it is much easier to develop problematic drug use patterns, like with any addictive things, when it is socially taboo, so people cannot talk about it with people outside of their circle of users and hide it from friends and family.
Addiction always is a social and psychological issue, whether it is cocaine, gambling or video games. Getting it out of the taboo is an important step to lower addiction.
I didn’t say most people are addicts.
What would happen, though, is there would be a great deal more addicts.
Cocaine isn’t really as available as you, it seems, trying to show. Weed was / is.
If cocaine will become drug of choice instead of weed, consequences will be dire.
You will find a cocaine dealer in every mid sized town. It is not difficult to get hooked up with any drug in most places, be it weed, cocaine or opiates. Availability is not the limitinf factor to consumption or addiction in the same way it isnt for weed.
Cocaine is available everywhere to anybody. Stop lying.
We have quite different understanding of “available everywhere to anybody”, apparently. Stop exaggerating.
Weren’t these the same people that didn’t want to help out Ukraine?
Ukraine is over the seven seas. Mexico is next door.
The US has military bases all around the world and strategically a hostile nuclear power winning a war in Eastern Europe is far more severe for the geopolitical position of the US, than Mexico being in its shape since decades. Its just that the GOP and Trump have some interesting ties and suprising cash flows with Russia.
There’s “geopolitical position” and there’s your literal neighbour.
Yeah, seven seas at least!
The only policy Republicans have is “kill people different than me”, there is literally nothing else.
They have other policies, like forcing 13 year old rape victims to give birth and non-lethal discrimination.
They also want to normalize marrying that 13 year old.
“We already beat them and stole half their country back in the 1840s. High time we did that again!”
“You do realize that would mean we would have more Mexicans living in the US?”
“…”
When there’s domestic problems that you haven’t even offered a solution for, point outward.
When there’s domestic problems that you
haven’t even offered a solution forhave actively created, point outward.FTFY
I’m not surprised at this point. I’m not shocked. I’m not disgusted.
Like climate change, it’s time.
We need to have 2+ functional political parties in this country. One cannot be a terrorist organization fueled by hate.
If you are old enough to vote and do not vote against these people, you are a supporter of Republican rightwing fascism.
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do we want mexico to join cuba china and Russia to be close to our doorsteps as an enemy?
Uff… Yeah. Pretty horrible. Mexico is a shit show that can’t get them under control. But it is a sovereign state. Unacceptable.
Never stopped the US before. Still, I completely agree, invading another country is unacceptable no matter who the invading party is.
There’s invading and there’s invading.
D-Day was an invasion.
So that the 1% can import their own coke and inflate the price? Fuuck that.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Rising GOP support for the U.S. taking unilateral military action in Mexico against drug cartels is increasingly rattling people on both sides of the border who worry talk of an attack is getting normalized.
Wednesday’s Republican presidential primary debate featured high-stakes policy disagreements on a range of issues from abortion to the environment — but found near-unanimous consensus on the idea of using American military force to fight drug smuggling and migration.
Even more moderate GOP candidates such as former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott have suggested support for some version of unilateral military action across the Rio Grande.
Now, bilateral tensions are being stimulated on both sides of the border, with Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador pursuing an internal image of defiance against the United States.
Former Vice President Mike Pence lauded Hutchinson’s appeal for economic pressure, but said he would “engage Mexico the exact same way” as the Trump administration to ensure security cooperation.
“Ron DeSantis rightly didn’t back down to the Experts™ during COVID and he likewise won’t let them keep him from securing our southern border,” said press secretary Bryan Griffin.
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