The order also explicitly limits Trump’s ability to attack witnesses or his co-defendants, including on social media.

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    Feels a bit ridiculous.

    Even low-balling Trump’s supposed wealth, that’s like setting bond for the average person at $7.50.

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        I dunno, self exile, and being forever a fugitive felon would be cheaper than a trial with guaranteed outcome. Hard to deny you are Puttin lap dog when you are crashing on his couch.

        It’s definitely worth considering.

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        No way Trump survives in Russia long term. He would have an adoring crowd for a few months, maybe a year. Most likely at the threat of bodily harm more than them liking him. Then the crowds thin because he has outlived his usefulness. A new leader for the party has been found. He cannot golf all the time. He can never return to the states. He likely cannot even leave Russia. Slowly he becomes a shell of the man he once was, yelling “Make America Great Again” into a mirror. Then one day he falls out a window, completely by accident. He tripped on the power cord there, or the CIA did it. Thats best case.

        Worst case is Russia doesnt even let him in knowing it would further turn the West against them. Furthering their resolve to support Ukraine. Or worse dragging NATO into the war.

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          His secret service agents would have to be in on it. Not out of the realm of possibility, but him skipping wouldn’t be that easy.

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        Imagine Trump getting elected while living in exile in Moscow. I just threw up in my mouth.

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        That’d be fuckin great imo. I’m sure a good chunk of his cult would follow him there, so their votes would quit impeding progress here; and you KNOW Trump would eventually say something to piss off the Kremlin and get hit ass thrown out the 10th floor window of some shitty hotel.

        That’s like a win-win-win.

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      Holy shit dude they might as well have set the bond at $130k to coincide with his Stormy Daniels payment

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        I love MARTA. I also know it has its problems. As a neighbor from a nearby small city, I don’t even have a business stop within 5 miles of my house. I love being able to take MARTA all over place in Atlanta with a day pass.

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        You do know that the state doesn’t keep the money unless the defendant skips out on court, right? It’s not just money they can use for stuff.

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      It really does. As in… we know you’re not going to be able to resist threatening jurors and will have to forfeit this bond so we’ll give you a nice low bond.

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    Keep in mind, you only have to post 10% to get out, so $20K.

    What’s $20K to him if he skates?

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      Isn’t the full amount posted by somebody? And if you leave the bondsman can find you and take you to the cops?

      Don vs Dog the bounty hunter would be a battle of the bad haircuts

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        Yes, it’s usually 10% if you go to a bail bondsman. And yes, you still owe them if you skip out, and they can hunt you down.

        I don’t think the secret service would let that happen though.

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          You mean the same secret service that deleted subpeonaed evidence to protect themselves and trump?

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          Why wouldn’t the secret service let a bail bondsman carry out the active attest warrant that’s sure to follow if he skips.

          Why would Trump even need a bail bondsman? He can surely afford to pay his own bail and get it all back, rather than taking the 10% bond as a loss.

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            I was about to agree, but

            1. Trump never pays for anything up front.

            2. Trump never pays anyone who does a service for him.

            3. Logic and reason do not apply to his behavior.

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            I mean they wouldn’t let him skip bail. If he somehow did, they’d probably help get him back.

            But we have no idea how much cash he actually has on hand.

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              I would imagine they would. Their duty is to keep him safe, not help him carry out illegal activities. I think they could make the moral choice to take him in as long as they could be sure he would be safe being arrested. And if they can’t be I would imagine they would be pulling the strings to make it safe while keeping tabs and not staying hidden.

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      That’s like fucking nothing to the mega rich like Trump.

      The fact that we have a two-tiered justice system couldn’t be more obvious than a rich white politician getting slapped on the wrist despite leading an insurrection against American democracy while poor black men are killed in the street by militant cops for literally no reason. Gross on so many levels.

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        This isn’t a slap on the wrist punishment, this is the bond to not be held in jail pending trial.

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          But it’s still wildly unfair. Imagine getting a $10k bond, you either need $10k cash you can part with temporarily (assuming you show up and are innocent) or far more likely you need to pay $1k to a bondsman that you won’t get back. Someone living paycheck to paycheck might not have the savings and so they either pay a poor tax or spend some time in jail.

          But for the rich, they always have the funds, or someone willing to loan it for a lot less than 10-15%. And it’s rarely set high enough to be a significant deterrent.

          Illinois just became the first state to eliminate cash bail, because you’re either a flight/violation risk or you’re not, money shouldn’t tip the scale.

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          This amount of money is a slap on the wrist compared to what he claims his wealth is. If you or I would commit this crime this would be equivalent to < $100 for bond

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              Isn’t it? Shouldn’t it be? Isn’t it supposed to be a disincentive? What’s the risk of losing $200k to a man who is supposed to be worth billions (but is surely worth hundreds of millions at least)?

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          You’re right. I’m not trying to say that he’s been sentenced or anything, but I’m referring to how little money $20,000 is to a guy like Trump. We’re talking the price of a moderately used 2017 Honda Civic as bond for a guy who participated in a malicious conspiracy to overturn the results of a democratic election (in multiple states, mind you). It’s a start contrast to the fact that there are countless innocent people who have lost their lives for no due to a justice system that is all too ready and willing to lay down the law against little people like you and me.

          If we did even 1% of what Trump has done we would be held without bail until the date of our trial.

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      That’s only if you get a bondsman to pay the rest of it. Knowing trump, anyone in their right mind wouldn’t put 180k of their own money down thinkimg the fat idiot won’t run his mouth and violate the terms of his bond.

      But then again, if they were in their right minds, they wouldn’t support him.

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      This is somewhat misleading. If you have the money for bond you typically just pay it yourself because a bail bondsman keeps some of the money when it’s returned.

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      If you use a surety bondsman, you pay 10-15%, you don’t get that back in any case. If you have the cash to pay the bond and don’t plan on violating the terms, you’d put it up yourself.

      That said, like most insurances, you have to find someone that’s willing to accept the risk, and if the terms really include “don’t attack people on social media” you’d have to be the dumbest person in the world to put that up for him.

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    So, what happens if he violates the gag order? Can they lock him up or is just a pithy fine?

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      The judge has every right to revoke bail and lock him up if he breaks those terms. I’m not betting any money on that actually happening, but if the law were applied equally he’d be denied bail and in prison until trial already.

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        I’ve been watching some news reporting on it and apparently the main concern is “where the line is” when it comes to his commentary. As a presidential candidate, he’s still allowed to attack his political opponents, but what happens if he attacks Mike Pence, who is both a contending GOP candidate and a witness in his case? Most commentators I’ve seen are saying the comment would have to be an egregious violation of the order for him to be sent to jail without enormous political upheaval (I mean, a certain portion of his base will go apeshit no matter what, but you get the idea). I suspect Trump will do what he always does and try to test that line. I really hope he miscalculates.

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      If he violates the bond terms, they can throw him right into jail.

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        Great. Fingers crossed that he’s stupid/impulsive enough to do it and the judge actually has the chutzpa to put him in the clink.

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        I feel like the fact that it’s an actual bond condition this time might motivate the judge to actually enforce it, but I understand your pessimism.

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    I wonder how long it will take Trump to break parole. It is not a question of if, just a question of when. And then the reaction of the court will most likely show the inequality of the American justice system. Some are handled more equal than others.

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    The question I have is what if he violates any of the terms? It’s not like they’re going to throw him in jail with some secret service people guarding him. So it feels more like a show than anything with real force behind it.

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      Pretty sure if you violate pre trial conditions, a judge can issue a bench warrant and lock you away.

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        My question isn’t what the law says they can do but what they’re actually willing to do.

        While Georgia has said that Trump is going to get a mugshot, his three other arrests have decided not to do the mugshot, not to do the perp walk, not to this, not to that. He’s getting special treatment, and we don’t realistically know where that’s going to end. And with current law, former presidents get lifetime protection of the secret service, so there is a practicality question for if Trump is locked up.

        I’m hoping that the trials bring out the truth, right now I believe the truth to be that he’s guilty, and I hope that if he keeps violating the terms of the courts, which he seems deadset on doing, that he’s put in jail for that while the trials are ongoing. But I don’t necessarily think they will do that even if, on paper, they can.

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      No, this is just setting the agreement of what his bond will be. He (and ask the other co-defendants) still has until Friday to turn himself in.