The UK has dropped out of the top ten global manufacturing nations for the first time, as reported by Make UK. Discover the factors behind this shift and the urgent call for a long-term industrial strategy to revitalise the sector.
Look, the obvious explanation here is that Russian propagandists have infiltrated UK’s leading business magazine, spreading blatant misinformation about the state of the UK economy. It’s absurd to think that the brilliant European strategy of cutting themselves from one of the largest commodity exporters could possibly have caused such a decline in industrial output.
No idea, i meant this one, it’s even adressed to you so i will copy it so you can see:
Freagle! Good to see you.
Yeah, Russia’s fuckin cleaning up. They’re the biggest country on Earth and they’re 12th on the chart. They’re trying to invade their neighbor that they’re 28 times bigger than, and they’re stuck on the border after 2 years. You know, like winners do.
Now that Ukraine got their aid package, and the rest of the world + Ukraine has had enough of a wake up call that the US is not necessarily a reliable partner, I think it’s highly unlikely that Russia will be able to do any better than a stalemate and peace agreement keeping some of the stuff they already stole. They may do worse than that (particularly if Trump doesn’t win). They also seem very shocked and aggrieved that people are now allowed to attack inside their borders, as if that is cheating.
IDK why you keep cherry picking Germany when it is such a small part of the overall aid-for-Ukraine picture (and not really doing badly – democratic countries tend to pick on small or moderate issues and write about them as big deals, of course, but in the grand scheme of things it’s nowhere near the types of problems Russia is having), or on the UK when Brexit is very clearly the source of their problems. If you wanted to celebrate Russian victories, I think celebrating Russia’s influence operations getting Trump and Brexit in place would be a lot more sensible than would holding up the Ukraine war and their capacity with industrial production. But IDK; you do you.
What’s the oldest tank Russia is fielding in Ukraine? Just in your understanding. And why?
And another one, where they suggest lemmygrad… block you? Lmao a caleidoscope of bizarre as usual
Can someone tell Freagle to try joining an instance that isn’t going to try to deny them their ability to talk with who they want to?
(Or, I guess, it’s on brand if they like USSR / Russia; maybe they should be happy about their overlords shielding them from incorrect ideas so they won’t get confused or disobedient.)
If someone wants to relay the message: The block is not on my end. I’ve never done any kind of block, but there are certain instances (lemmygrad, hexbear, and hilariouschaos) that never seem to be able to talk with me without issues. Lemmygrad I used to be able to, so maybe they created something on their end, but it wasn’t me.
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev Thanks for this. Sucks you got banned by Lemmygrad. I don’t necessarily blame them, though.
Anyway, I guess you need a refresher on the debate we were having. My position was that the West was deindustrializing and losing economic ground while Russia was growing its industrial base and gaining economic ground. I provided a bunch of sources about German deindustrialization and UK losing steel production and you countered with none of that was important and also Russia was having trouble maintaining their Boeings while under sanctions.
I at-ed you because here we have MORE evidence of deindustrialization of Western Europe and MORE evidence that Russia’s economy is growing and your response is: about aid packages to Ukraine.
What’s the oldest tank Russia is fielding in Ukraine? Just in your understanding. And why?
Russia appears to be fielding T-54s and T-55s which are over 50 years old. Why? Because they have no reason to field more advanced systems against Ukraine because Ukraine hasn’t reached a threat level that requires more advanced systems, and because 50-year-old equipment will eventually just fail from age, like the USA’s Minuteman missile system. It’s better to use old equipment, get rid of it, while still making tactical and strategic gains because it reduces the total cost of the conflict for Russia, it streamlines their supply chains and maintenance once those old systems are gone, and it doesn’t present their enemies with any new battlefield intelligence because everything the West needs to know about those systems were already known.
No, they are still spreading nonsense, this time lying about the Arabic language. The nerves of someone who doesn’t speak Arabic trying to teach me a native what words mean in Arabic. Why do liberals argue about something they know nothing about with absolute certainty?
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev How we doing with our respective analyses of European deindustrialization and Russian economic dynamism?
See also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimvinoski/2024/02/29/german-deindustrialization-is-a-wake-up-call-for-us-manufacturers/
Edit: Aww, it looks like mozz deleted their account
Edit edit: mozz is not deleted but maybe they blocked me? I can’t see their comments when logged, only when I log out
Look, the obvious explanation here is that Russian propagandists have infiltrated UK’s leading business magazine, spreading blatant misinformation about the state of the UK economy. It’s absurd to think that the brilliant European strategy of cutting themselves from one of the largest commodity exporters could possibly have caused such a decline in industrial output.
Sadly it looks like mozz may have deleted their account
I’m sure they have many more.
EDIT: i’ve seen their post below. It’s like orbiting meme compilation.
Any idea why I can’t see their comments when I am logged in? Is that a result of them blocking me personally or is it their instance blocking me?
No idea, i meant this one, it’s even adressed to you so i will copy it so you can see:
And another one, where they suggest lemmygrad… block you? Lmao a caleidoscope of bizarre as usual
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev Thanks for this. Sucks you got banned by Lemmygrad. I don’t necessarily blame them, though.
Anyway, I guess you need a refresher on the debate we were having. My position was that the West was deindustrializing and losing economic ground while Russia was growing its industrial base and gaining economic ground. I provided a bunch of sources about German deindustrialization and UK losing steel production and you countered with none of that was important and also Russia was having trouble maintaining their Boeings while under sanctions.
I at-ed you because here we have MORE evidence of deindustrialization of Western Europe and MORE evidence that Russia’s economy is growing and your response is: about aid packages to Ukraine.
Russia appears to be fielding T-54s and T-55s which are over 50 years old. Why? Because they have no reason to field more advanced systems against Ukraine because Ukraine hasn’t reached a threat level that requires more advanced systems, and because 50-year-old equipment will eventually just fail from age, like the USA’s Minuteman missile system. It’s better to use old equipment, get rid of it, while still making tactical and strategic gains because it reduces the total cost of the conflict for Russia, it streamlines their supply chains and maintenance once those old systems are gone, and it doesn’t present their enemies with any new battlefield intelligence because everything the West needs to know about those systems were already known.
I think what they might be suggesting is that Lemmygrad banned them. How would we check to see if that’s true?
Ahh, there it is. https://lemmygrad.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=4373640
Yes, he was banned with the reason “debate pervert”
Might be because they are on mastadon
Nah. I used to see their comments and now when I view their profile all their comments count is zero and their list of comments all say “removed”
aww, mozz always had such hilarious takes
No, they are still spreading nonsense, this time lying about the Arabic language. The nerves of someone who doesn’t speak Arabic trying to teach me a native what words mean in Arabic. Why do liberals argue about something they know nothing about with absolute certainty?