Anyone else keeping up with this?

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    Guys did you hear? Someone tried to overthrow the Fuhrer and bring fascism to the Reich!

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        Oh, you used a synonym? Well, that changes things.

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            A liberal is someone who believes that the United States is a democracy.

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              That’s not the definition of a liberal.

              The working-class fought for democracy. It wasn’t bequeathed on us BIPOC people by liberals or the bourgeois.

              Your mind is tainted by white leftist speak. I don’t even care if you’re BIPOC yourself. I deal with MAGAts near me every day.

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                    Damn guys, did you hear? BIPOC leftists created democracy in the form of a settler-colonial slave state built on the bones of a murdered indigenous population. You learn something new every day!

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                    The US was approaching democracy but it never actually reached that point. In order for the US to have ever been a democracy there are a lot of fundamental government structures that would have needed to be destroyed. The Electoral College is obvious, but also the Senate and the cap on House members and the fact that voting rights aren’t guaranteed and the sabotage of public campaign finance and the fucking Supreme Court- the list goes on. The US never actually became a full democracy at any point in its history, you are being idealistic.

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                    It’s a Greek word with an actual historical basis in reality, not just a word that you use to describe marginalized people winning concessions inside an empire. They invented democracy (for citizens), and of those citizens it was the wealthiest that took over everything. As soon as democracy was invented, it was used mystify class relations. You simply delivered some rhetoric about the benefits of democracy and ignored the actual power structure. It has nothing to do with freedom or people being able to live as they please or not being exploited by the wealthy.

                    That’s centuries before European industrial capitalism let alone American industrial capitalism.