We all want tipping banned, and we want to boycott restaurants that pay their waitstaff this way.
However, in the current system, if you go out and eat at a restaurant something that is a luxury, then refuse to pay, all you are doing is being a dick too and hurting a random proletariat worker. As that tip is the only means through which they can survive.
It is vile. No one is defending this. It is just extremely entitled to believe that you have the right to demand to be served by a working class person, and then stiff them on their means of survival because of some backwards morality.
A moral person would not go to a restaurant at all. That’s how you put pressure on the system. If you go to a restaurant and pay, the owner gets paid anyways and has no incentive to change anything. All you accomplish is being a dick to a random prole.
You essentially touch on that with your last few sentences. We are all arguing it is normal and moral to refuse to be served by a tip worker.
However others in the thread are claiming that it is fine to go to a restaurant and be served. They just won’t tip the person after they made them serve them. Which is disgusting.
I can generally agree with you. I think we’re looking at it from distinct angles.
If it’s clear who’s responsible for paying the serving person, I’m OK with it. When it’s all just implied costume, there’s too much room for scamming, intimidation, and exercise of monetary power.
No one is defending tipping in this forum.
We all want tipping banned, and we want to boycott restaurants that pay their waitstaff this way.
However, in the current system, if you go out and eat at a restaurant something that is a luxury, then refuse to pay, all you are doing is being a dick too and hurting a random proletariat worker. As that tip is the only means through which they can survive.
It is vile. No one is defending this. It is just extremely entitled to believe that you have the right to demand to be served by a working class person, and then stiff them on their means of survival because of some backwards morality.
A moral person would not go to a restaurant at all. That’s how you put pressure on the system. If you go to a restaurant and pay, the owner gets paid anyways and has no incentive to change anything. All you accomplish is being a dick to a random prole.
You essentially touch on that with your last few sentences. We are all arguing it is normal and moral to refuse to be served by a tip worker.
However others in the thread are claiming that it is fine to go to a restaurant and be served. They just won’t tip the person after they made them serve them. Which is disgusting.
I can generally agree with you. I think we’re looking at it from distinct angles.
If it’s clear who’s responsible for paying the serving person, I’m OK with it. When it’s all just implied costume, there’s too much room for scamming, intimidation, and exercise of monetary power.