• SomeGuy
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    I hate that even socialists make this argument. The amount of people who are like “China is economically developing these regions because imperialists need to do that” when they are obviously doing more than building a few one way train lines to haul goods. People who make that argument also tend to agree the west is imperialist but then don’t ever seem to ask themselves why the west doesn’t economically develop such nations. The simple fact is, the west doesn’t do so because it’s not really necessary for imperialist extraction and China does because they aren’t colonizing the developing world.

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      My theory about “leftists” like this is that they cant conceive of Africans and other Global Southerners as anything other than children who don’t have their own agency. This also explains why they see any other “adult” country that engaged with the global south as some sort of dangerous pedo.

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        They really do infantalize such nations to a massive extent. Definitely plays a role.

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        Makes sense. Definitely fits with people being stuck in the western chauvinist, civil/savage colonial mindset of “I must know better inherently because I belong to [superior] identity group.” Not to say these people are necessarily conscious of these tendencies in themselves, but I think it’s safe to say it can be observed from the outside, to an extent.

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    • SpookyGenderCommunist [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      economically developing these regions because imperialists need to do that

      I really want to take these people to West Virginia. If this were true, I wouldn’t have encountered at least 3 or 4 instances of half the road having fallen into the river valley below, while on a road trip to Matewan a couple years ago. Not to mention the rampant poverty, food deserts, and the commercial dominance of Dollar General.

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        They’d probably say something like “only the colonized countries need to be economically developed not the core” or “internal colonization is a myth, read settlers”. These people have the critical thinking skills of a shoelace.

        Seriously, I’ve heard people try and argue colonies often have higher standards of living than their colonial masters which is one hell of a deranged statement.