Hamad said that Palestinians are the victims of the occupation, therefore no one should blame them for the events of October 7 or anything else, adding: “Everything we do is justified.”

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    Hamas is correct. “Israel” is a European settler colony, and like other European settler colonies, it depends on the removal of the indigenous population and theft of their land. Palestinians have exhausted every possible alternative to violence over decades, and it’s brought them to the brink of extinction. Their options are to fight for their lives and right to return to their homes, or to be exterminated as a people by the Israeli state. Palestinian Jews existed before Europe created Israel, and they’ll exist as equals after Palestine is free.

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      There are many islmist countries. They can choose freely. But ask the jewish minority in all these arab countries how many jewish nations they can choose. Also, there never was a country called Palestine, the region holds the name. But about 3000 jears ago on this spot where two jewisch kingdoms. So whois the settler?

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        “Actually white people originate from Africa, so we have a right to take back the ancestral homeland of the white race”.

        “There are plenty of ‘black countries’ for them to choose, this should be a white country for us.”

        “If those people keep reproducing, soon white people won’t be a majority, and that’s ‘white genocide’.”

        Arguments like this are only plausible to terminally racist settlers. You go along with them because it licenses you to keep pursuing your material interest in murdering people that don’t look like you and stealing their land. After all, if the people living in Palestine have a right to live in their homes without being invaded and exterminated, then that raises some uncomfortable questions about the US, Canada, Australia, and other countries built on land theft and extermination by white Europeans. You obviously can’t think too hard about that and still believe that you’re the protagonist of history, so you’ll seek out any flimsy justification to keep believing that bombing hospitals makes you heroic.

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          Maybe you should research on the ratio of european jews to arab jews in israel. Where do these arab jews originate from i wonder.

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            Some of them originate in Palestine, where they lived before Europe created “Israel”. Some of them originated from other states in west Asia or east Africa, or the Americas where they have the means and opportunity to freely return. Some of them were born in occupied Palestine, where they have every right to stay and live as equals when Palestine is liberated from colonization.

            Those weren’t the people that created the state of “Israel”. They didn’t drive the rest of the population out of their homes, and none of those people will stop existing when the occupying state is destroyed. Neither will any other Jewish people living across the world calling for peace, no matter how much you’d prefer to erase them and see them expelled from your country. They survived Europe’s past attempts to expel and exterminate them, and they’ll certainly survive the end of Euro-American colonialism in Palestine.

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            According to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2008, of Israel’s 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background.[39] Among them, 70.3 percent were Sabras (born in Israel), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—20.5 percent from Europe and the Americas, and 9.2 percent from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews

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              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews says 3.2 million in Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel says Israels population is 9.8 million of which 73% are jewish. So 3.2 million Mizrahi Jews (oriental) of 5.8 Israel Jews. I presume the rest must be Ashkenazi Jews (european). All i’m saying is the categorization in indigeious and settlers isn’t all that easy.

              \edit: Sorry, You are not the person I replied to. So thank you for the facts-delivery!

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        Still the Jews innit, cos of Exodus 3:10 “This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites.”

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            That’s OK, I won’t hold it against you. What’s your source for the two kingdoms 3000 years ago, and does that source talk about how they entered the land? Was the land empty and unused/unclaimed or were there other people living there?