In light of user Wisconcom’s community Hoxhaism (created using an alternate account named Ouisconkom), and the anti-China/anti-Mao sectarianism that permeates the rhetoric of the community. It has come to our attention that some members of the community are unhappy with this sort of content being allowed.
In the past, we’ve removed other Ultra-leftists, such as Patriotic Socialists, for their sectarianism. And some of the admins feel this might be a time to do that again.
Lemmygrad’s success depends on transparency and communication between the user base and the admins, so we would like the Lemmygrad community to tell us how they feel about this possible issue.
My personal take on this - and mind you this isn’t the take of the admin team, only my own - is that Wisconcom/Ouisconkom’s a little too eager to say the right thing to stay on Lemmygrad, and the community which currently only consists of them as both the only contributor and the only moderator gives me the impression that they really are just ban evading, and using their community so we (the admins) can’t simply give them the banhammer again for spouting highly sectarian (and frankly untrue) rhetoric about China, without needing to make a post like this.
But, I will be willing to let them take this as a warning to stop the incessant sectarianism, and rather focus more on what Hoxhaism is before they make arguments as to what Hoxhaists believe about other revolutionary states. At least, in my opinion, we should give them a few weeks to ‘fix their act’, and if they fail to make their community a place for real discussion that is civil and non-sectarian, we’ll either remove the community, or shift it into someone else’s hands.
If the community is really about “teaching”, as they say. Then the community should be teaching, not going on rants about China being “revisionist” or “capitalist”. It’s possible for different Marxist ideology groups to coexist within the framework of Lemmygrad, but the bare minimum of that is being civil and respectful towards the other sects of Marxism. Wisconcom has failed at doing that, and in doing so they’ve not only put their community in jeopardy, but they’ve also hammered a wedge between them and the majority ideologies of Lemmygrad (ML, and ML-MZT).
We don’t want to foster a culture of banning everyone we disagree with on Lemmygrad, which is why The People’s Court was founded, and why we pose these questions to the community when applicable. My personal experience with Hoxhaists is, frankly, not very positive. For the sake of not starting my own sectarian arguments, I’ll sum down simply to; Hoxhaists tend to grasp to ultra-leftist talking points, and can be a pain to try to work with. I’m personally uncomfortable with having a Hoxhaist community, just as I’m uncomfortable with an MLM or Trotskyist community. But, I will self-crit and admit that Hoxhaism at one point in time was the dominant ideology of a functioning revolutionary state, and as such deserves more examination than the previous two ideologies mentioned.
And on that point, I will urge members of GenZedong and our pro-PRC comrades to give Hoxhaism equal respect, as long as Wisconcom and the Hoxhaist community does the same. The last thing we want is a gang war of sorts to form, and the easiest way we can keep that from happening is to encourage comradeship and mutual respect. Please refrain from throwing around terms like “reformist” at each other, please refrain from trying to flame one another’s communities. Friendship in our shared goals should be more important than trying to pwn each other online.
Though I don’t have many personal experiences with Hoxhaists, I believe the above to be the most reasonable course of action.
I don’t think I fully understand this: are you unable to ban a user if they’re the creator of a community or something?
Further: is/should public deliberation over deleting a community be necessary when it was created by an individual who, on account of being banned, should not have been able to create a community here, and was only able to do so by ban evading?
we could just ban them, nothing is really stopping us from doing it. But for anti-sectarianism within Marxism, the best course of action is to ask the LG community how they feel and act accordingly. If this community could be redirected to following the site rules, then there’s no reason for us to need to remove it.
On Wisconcom’s ban evasion though, if they’re willing to change their behaviour and stop being problematic we’re willing to let them stay. However, at the current moment they are very close to being rebanned. If they don’t correct themselves, they’ll be removed.