I fail to understand why I keep getting kicked/banned from leftist communities. All I did in that community was talk about the BRI, share my reading list, and fascinate about the guoxin-1: China’s first deep-sea fish farm that’s as large as an aircraft carrier. As well as talk to another person about how Chinese media could do a better job at outreach.
To these self-hating leftists, you can apparently only discuss China when they’re dunking on the West. But when you talk about the BRI, Moderate Prosperity, XJP’s New Era, or what have you: you get promptly done away with.
I now understand why none of the reading lists in Socialist groups don’t include anything recent or from the third world. These people are stuck in the past and only want to lever the actions of AES states to support their own moribund view of their world and their socialist causes.
I just wanted to make some friends on the left.
What’s up Western left? I didn’t even post anything (check REVeddit), to that subreddit and have already been banned.
Why can I only talk about anything China-related if it’s in relationship to the West? Are China and the CPC only a foil to Western leftists to promote their own form of socialism?
Does China’s success on its road to Socialism give Western leftists a inferiority complex? Do people that talk about Vietnam or other people from the global South experience the same treatment?
Just like how integrating into the capitalist system is a necessary evil, so is fish farming to protect our environment. I too can’t wait until we can put meat/fish-based protein on people’s plates without there ever having to sacrifice the life of a conscious being.
About that. Fish or meat based protein. Does it taste good? Will people eat it? Or will livestock eat it, is that the purpose? Of not, why is it better than existing sources of protein?
I mean there is lab-grown meat. Once lab-grown meat gets adopted we can slowly turn away from the idea of “meat” being derived from animals and further abstract it. E.g. we could take the genetic code that allows for the creation of an animal’s muscles, extract the most basic building blocks that create the texture and nutrients, change it, put that code into bacteria and literally have create a patty/slab of “meat” that has the form and thickness of a tortilla, but the flavour profile of whichever animals you can think of.
That all makes sense.
But in practice people always describe the flavour as being like tortilla too.
And we still need to figure out the environmental impact. We don’t know what it is, but it will certainly be far worse than meat.
Why the same form and thickness of tortilla? Is that a technical constraint?
The tortilla analogy was just to sketch an abstraction to what meat might become.
How would lab-grown meat (one that doesn’t make use of a biopsis) have a larger environmental impact? It’s literally a cell culture to connect to a nutrient drip.
I’m glad you asked!
Meats can be farmed in many ways. But in the best way (and it’s a fairly common way) they are raised on useless land, practically wild, consuming grass and water that is also abundant. Think of mountainsides or floodplains in country with a lot of rain.
It had no negative environmental impact, and a very small positive one. Not compare with three impact of any large scale chemical or industrial process. It is necessarily vast. Mining and transporting exotic materials, manpower or specialised robots, etc. All these have huge ecological footprint.
Without even knowing the details (because the industry doesn’t exist yet) it will certainly be an ecological disaster, compared against the best possible form of animal farming.
But that firm if animal farming needs to become the norm soon anyway.
Well, TECHNICALLY we can do it already, or in some years, but people ain’t not enough willing…
Yeah … if there is one thing I know for sure it’s that any attempt at removing all meat from the Chinese diet is probably going to result in a colour revolution.
One day, comrade… One day we will learn and separate traditions from lack of empathy… I can’t say anything, maybe, since I live where they torture bulls to death for “sport” and throw goats from a bell tower…