Within real communist communities? No. Within revisionist communities absolutely.
Communists haven’t supported China since the death of Mao whenever Deng Xiaopeng and his ilk took power. You can read plenty of official statements by Peruvian, Indian, and Filipino communists parties (that have actually attempted/are attempting revolution) who denounce China as a revisionist social imperialist power in exactly the same way that China denounced the USSR following the revisionists rise to power.
Okay thanks, interesting. And where do lemmygrad and hexbear sit on that axis? I haven’t really thought about communism much since I was at uni in the late 90s and it was all triumphantly end of history type thinking. Suddenly arrive here and have hexbear and lemmygrad messages in my feed .
Lemmygrad and hexbear are extremist, primarily Marxist-Leninist communities which take a very narrow view of socialist philosophy and insist that this view represents the one true socialism, rejecting or even mocking basically all contemporary socialist thought which falls outside their bubble. Their knowledge of the topic actually ends up being pretty shallow, and they frequently cite philosophers who actually reject their autocratic preferences.
Basically they are “socialists” who have completely lost (or in many cases, never followed) the plot, and have reverted to a core philosophy of reactionary anti-west contrarianism. The term within the socialist community for this is “campist” but these people actually take that to an entirely different level of indecipherable discourse.
I’m not entirely sure because I don’t really frequent those instances. But if Reddit is any indication, the revisionist communities have a significantly larger presence online than anti-revisionist communists, which is unfortunate to say the least.
They were just residents of the city at the time, and obviously were aware of the massive protests but can also confirm second hand reports of violence and may have known people who died. They unambiguously expressed solidarity with the students, but you really need to press to get them to discuss it, and my Chinese is often insufficiently elegant for these topics. I actually tried to get them to make a video interview but they didn’t want to. They are in the process of getting US residency and I think they might be more open to the idea once they are fully moved over.
They are definitely well aware of the censorship surrounding the issue though. They stop short of speculation about what actually happened but they will tell you that the Chinese media did not report the situation accurately starting in the weeks prior. When I asked if western media reported it more accurately they responded in dialect or idiom I didn’t quite understand. Possibly some version of “how the fuck should I know?”
That’s about the extent of that interaction. I have gotten them to discuss politics on a few occasions. I think more than anything the person in question just kind of wants to be heard and tell their story, but has real fears about doing so.
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Sure. Fabricated.
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What the hell do you think it is? If nothing else, look at the fucking filename.
Out of interest, within pro communist communities is there a similar view of fake news taken on western coverage of the Uighar population?
Within real communist communities? No. Within revisionist communities absolutely.
Communists haven’t supported China since the death of Mao whenever Deng Xiaopeng and his ilk took power. You can read plenty of official statements by Peruvian, Indian, and Filipino communists parties (that have actually attempted/are attempting revolution) who denounce China as a revisionist social imperialist power in exactly the same way that China denounced the USSR following the revisionists rise to power.
Okay thanks, interesting. And where do lemmygrad and hexbear sit on that axis? I haven’t really thought about communism much since I was at uni in the late 90s and it was all triumphantly end of history type thinking. Suddenly arrive here and have hexbear and lemmygrad messages in my feed .
Lemmygrad and hexbear are extremist, primarily Marxist-Leninist communities which take a very narrow view of socialist philosophy and insist that this view represents the one true socialism, rejecting or even mocking basically all contemporary socialist thought which falls outside their bubble. Their knowledge of the topic actually ends up being pretty shallow, and they frequently cite philosophers who actually reject their autocratic preferences.
Basically they are “socialists” who have completely lost (or in many cases, never followed) the plot, and have reverted to a core philosophy of reactionary anti-west contrarianism. The term within the socialist community for this is “campist” but these people actually take that to an entirely different level of indecipherable discourse.
Thanks, that’s helpful info for me.
I’m not entirely sure because I don’t really frequent those instances. But if Reddit is any indication, the revisionist communities have a significantly larger presence online than anti-revisionist communists, which is unfortunate to say the least.
If there was a genocide underway don’t you think there would be more of an outcry?
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Sure you did buddy.
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How much did China pay you to post this shit? It’s definitely not enough.
I’ve spoken to Chinese people who saw the protests with their own eyes.
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They were just residents of the city at the time, and obviously were aware of the massive protests but can also confirm second hand reports of violence and may have known people who died. They unambiguously expressed solidarity with the students, but you really need to press to get them to discuss it, and my Chinese is often insufficiently elegant for these topics. I actually tried to get them to make a video interview but they didn’t want to. They are in the process of getting US residency and I think they might be more open to the idea once they are fully moved over.
They are definitely well aware of the censorship surrounding the issue though. They stop short of speculation about what actually happened but they will tell you that the Chinese media did not report the situation accurately starting in the weeks prior. When I asked if western media reported it more accurately they responded in dialect or idiom I didn’t quite understand. Possibly some version of “how the fuck should I know?”
That’s about the extent of that interaction. I have gotten them to discuss politics on a few occasions. I think more than anything the person in question just kind of wants to be heard and tell their story, but has real fears about doing so.