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The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area.

“Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday.

“When I talk to myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward, like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path. And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.

  • purahna
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    10 months ago

    Putin can hang from a barbed wire noose and also this is a US proxy war

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      10 months ago

      Wait a minute… Who invaded Ukraine in 2014, and again in 2021? Who illegally annexed sovereign territory? America is not blameless, but in this war they are just the arms dealer

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        The USA has been training Ukraine military and irregulars for years. They organized a volunteer force to go fight there. They sent their politicians to support the right-wing coup. What the fuck are you talking about they are just arms dealers? They are providing recon and military intelligence, they are mobilizing their satellites and aerial assets, they are doing political work to get other nations to provide support and they are putting constraints on peace deals. They are not a fucking arms dealer.

      • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        10 months ago

        if you are right and they are just an arms dealer they are still the bad guys. You understand arm’s dealers are bad people right?

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          10 months ago

          No. That’s a reductionist take.

          “Can we have some weapons to defend ourselves?”

          "No! That’d make us evil. You should just die. "

          Oh a hexbear. … You lot only have overly simplistic takes.

          • CascadeOfLight [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            10 months ago

            You should just die

            Yes, rip bozos

            My eternal grief for the hundreds of thousands of innocent Ukrainians pressed into the meatgrinder by their Nazi overlords, eternal death to the genocidal Kiev regime and their campaign of extermination against their own country’s citizens of Russian descent for eight years

            CW: literally, unfathomably vile

            The Ukrainian fascist soldiers are offering you cans of ‘Separatist Baby Meat’!

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              10 months ago

              You realize the people in those photos are Russian citizens and connected to Wagner PMC, right? Identify each of them for us and prove you know what the hell you’re posting. Anyone can post a picture of a Nazi flag and say “See? SEE!??”

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                You realize the people in those photos are Russian citizens and connected to Wagner PMC, right?

                Uh yea gonna need you to identify these Russian citizens in those pro bandera, ukraine flag waving marches here.

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                  10 months ago

                  Uh yeah gonna need the person claiming the photos are legit to post some proof. Burden of proof is on the presenter. That was my comment that you replied to. Since you can’t, we can assume you are arguing in bad faith and have nothing to contribute

                  • Flaps [he/him]@hexbear.net
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                    10 months ago

                    Bruv Idk what to tell you ukraine has a known problem with its far right elements, and here are pictures presented of exactly that.

                    Uh yeah gonna need the person claiming the photos are legit to post some proof

                    YOU claimed these pictures were Wagner pmcs dressing up and holding fake far right marches with Ukrainian iconography. YOU back that claim up.

          • InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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            10 months ago

            Oh a hexbear. … You lot only have overly simplistic takes.

            When we respond to blatant ignorance with carefully chosen wording, backing up our position with citations and links, and calmly explaining the nuance of complex geopolitical realities, we get accused of “always throwing walls of text at people.” When we answer that same ignorance with short and pithy responses, we “only have simplistic takes.”

            parenti-hands

            There’s no winning with you simple-minded dronies, but I guess there never is when one side can just make shit up that fits their vibes-based outlook on the world.

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                What are you even asking for? What do you want citations on? As I made very clear with quoted text, I was responding to a claim about everyone on the hexbear instance.

                Do you want citations and careful wording that hexbear people use citations and careful wording? Or do you want citations and careful wording about something specific having to do with the topic of the OP? In either case, just read the comments from hexbear users all over this thread.

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                  You’re claiming that you argue from a valid point of citing your arguments, and presented zero citation. The person the replied to needed no citations for their argument because they presented ideas, not facts. You’re raging trying to tell people to cite things but you’re sitting in your tower without presenting citations. You’re a ragebait clown 🤡

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                    You said:

                    You’re claiming that you argue from a valid point of citing your arguments, and presented zero citation. The person the replied to needed no citations for their argument because they presented ideas, not facts. You’re raging trying to tell people to cite things but you’re sitting in your tower without presenting citations. You’re a ragebait clown 🤡

                    It’s unclear whether you’re deliberately misinterpreting InappropriateEmote or whether you simply don’t understand them. Either way, it seems sensible to quote the text that you’re replying to:

                    When we respond to blatant ignorance with carefully chosen wording, backing up our position with citations and links, and calmly explaining the nuance of complex geopolitical realities, we get accused of “always throwing walls of text at people.” When we answer that same ignorance with short and pithy responses, we “only have simplistic takes.”

                    This means that when Hexbear users present a longer argument with references, they get accused of writing walls of text. In response to this criticism, there is another approach: short and pithy responses.

                    InappropriateEmote is unambiguously saying that in this example they went with option 2, a short and pithy response. They are not claiming to have provided a longer argument with references.

                    This was said in response to a quip intended to shut down the discussion rather than deal with a critique:

                    Oh a hexbear. … You lot only have overly simplistic takes.

                    The alternative (dealing with the substance of the claim) would have required accepting all the other evidence that the US is both arms dealer and directly involved in running the Ukraine war and directing where it’s dealt arms go. Again as with yours, there was an attempt to decontextualize what a Hexbear user said so as to dismiss the overall argument without addressing it’s crucial features.

                    It is entirely unclear what point you’re trying to make by distinguishing ideas from facts. Unless it’s a weird brag about being grounded in unfounded opinion rather than fact, which, if it is, is not the argument you think it is.

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                10 months ago

                But they’re from hexbear, that means they’re always right duh

                /s

                • InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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                  No one ever said we are always right, and we can’t be, because our internal struggle sessions are well know. We weren’t even able to federate for 3 years due to incompatible code, and in that time, disagreed (to put it lightly) on things all the time in ways where both sides can’t be right. I realize it can be convenient for you to talk about people you’re trying to disparage as a monolith, but I assure you, no hexbear thinks hexbears are always right.

                  But when it comes to actually knowing shit about geopolitics, and understanding realities beyond the narrative that has been crafted to justify the ruling class’ dominance and hegemony, it’s hard to get it wrong when you’re talking to propagandized liberals who eat up that narrative like good little unquestioning beneficiaries of empire. That much is true.

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        10 months ago

        Who invaded Ukraine in 2014

        After whose coup d’etat?

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          Ahhh let’s talk about those! The one in Russia last month was pretty cool. Sending Wagner to Belarus to mess with Poland, only for Poland to send 10,000 troops and see Wagner get shipped out of Belarus was pretty funny. Russia keeps trying the same playbook, and now it’s being met with equal force, so they’re pissed. Same reason the EU border states just expelled thousands of Russian citizens.

          They keep trying to stage coups using Russian citizens. The coup in Ukraine in 2014 was preceded by a border buildup of “special operation forces.” It also noteworthy how Russia has changed the lingo and now calls it “War in Ukraine.”