• @CriticalResist8A
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    32 years ago

    Possibly. But let’s get some perspective too, the two t-shirts you pulled are from the same seller and only 1 unit was ever sold. Those are the only two items on the website when you search for blackface, it’s hardly a widespread problem. Regardless I was able to report the items directly to ali and we’ll see if anything comes out of it. Moreover, Amazon sellers are usually just aliexpress resellers, except their items are 3x more expensive. Amazon is just being a middleman for aliexpress (with the added benefit, perhaps, that your items arrive sooner though I’ve had very good delivery times on ali).

    The child did not die in an Alibaba factory but in a seller’s that sells on the platform, as alibaba and aliexpress are just marketplaces.

    which is not exactly sounding like a workers’ utopia.

    Nobody is saying China is a worker’s utopia.

    things like Fairmondo are out there.

    Only available in Germany though.

    Consumers are not responsible for climate change, and reading the vice article was somewhat funny because now UK retailers that have been racing to the bottom are, once again, being outraced by China and crying about it. They created this commodification (or rather capitalism did, and they were the mere vectors), and now they can’t stop it. While we are in capitalism, as workers we will partake in it. The only way to stop the climate crisis is revolution, but until then there will be online retailers, there will be giants, and there will be labour exploitation.

    • @triplenadir
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      12 years ago

      Those are the only two items on the website when you search for blackface, it’s hardly a widespread problem.

      It’s not "widespread’, sure, it also seems like something they could easily have a search alert set up for.

      The child did not die in an Alibaba factory but in a seller’s that sells on the platform, as alibaba and aliexpress are just marketplaces.

      That’s my bad, it wasn’t Aliaba-owned. However from the original source:

      According to reports, Zhiya has been approved as a “Quality Supplier” for Alibaba since 2012. Likewise, their factory also received the rigorous, on-site factory inspection from Alibaba Taofactory which verified “its trust based on the inspection carried out by the authoritative SGS organization”

      https://web.archive.org/web/20210411215144/http://www.chinalaborwatch.org/newscast/601 (and yes I am noticing these domain names are getting more and more sus… 😬)

      Nobody is saying China is a worker’s utopia.

      I was talking about the Alibaba ecosystem, not China. I don’t really know what workers’ rights are like there compared to other places.

      [Fairmondo is] Only available in Germany though.

      The model seems like it could be replicated, there are a bunch of platform co-ops elsewhere. And they say they’re working on opening in other places themselves:

      We are now working on internationalisation. If you want to be updated on the progress, or if you have suggestions or want to get involved, please send an email to: global@fairmondo.com

      Consumers are not responsible for climate change

      Alibaba isn’t a consumer in this situation though? It’s their choice whether to keep selling disposable stuff or not.

      The only way to stop the climate crisis is revolution, but until then there will be online retailers, there will be giants, and there will be labour exploitation.

      Agreed. In that mean-time, I don’t think there’s much to be gained supporting one damaging empire over another.