There’s no evidence of any brigading, anarchist mods are banning people for being different kinds of leftists from them. That’s what’s happening there.
There is plenty of evidence. Just try to accept for once that your dear ML comrades can be pretty obnoxious at times (as can Anarchists ofc.).
A ML takeover of /r/antiwork is a bad idea in anyway you can look at it, even from the perspective of MLs. ML is a total fringe movement in the US, where /r/antiwork seems to have the most momentum. In fact years and years of capitalist propaganda has turned anything “communist” into a boogy-man that will turn away most people interested in /r/antiwork otherwise.
Strategically it is better to leave this in anarchist hands and stop pushing ML propaganda into /r/antiwork. I am sure people would be also much more willing to cooperate if the ML side wasn’t so pushy about it.
First, the whole notion of a takeover is a straw man. Second, exposing people to effective means of organizing and having an actual theory of change would be the real value. If it just ends up being a place where people moan about their jobs being awful and telling each other that they just need a better job, all it does is perpetuate the status quo.
Meanwhile, the same people who are claiming that MLs are being pushy are perfectly fine collaborating with nazis social democrats, and liberals. It’s quite telling that only MLs who are seen as a problem since they’re the only group that actually provides a way out.
Even if the takeover is incomplete, a sufficient number of MLs mansplaining something about the “dictatorship of the proletariat” or some other such non-sense will be a sure way to kill any momentum /r/antiwork has in the US right now.
/r/antwork is not anywhere near a place where effective organizing can take place; it’s mostly about showing people that there are a lot of other like-minded ones and that they can “stick it to the man” if they have sufficient numbers.
And those social democrats and liberals are at least not brigading other places and acting against their own interests while doing so.
This type of argument is precisely the sectarianism I’m talking about. Anarchists single out a particular group of leftists and say that they can’t participate. If people are behaving poorly, then moderators should deal with that on case by case basis as is done on plenty of other big subreddits. If somebody starts mansplaining then they can be deal with, and it certainly shouldn’t be restricted to MLs. Moderators siding with right wingers and liberals against other leftists just turns the whole thing into opportunism.
It’s also utterly false that social democrats and right wing trolls are not brigading. They absolutely are, but I guess anarchists see them as kindred spirits.
The moderators did their job and removed those brigading posts, just as they did here on Lemmy today. Other mansplaining posts are of course also removed, but when it is an organized effort to brigade a place then dealing with it on a case by case basis is unrealistic.
You still have not demonstrated the case that there is any brigading happening. You just keep repeating that over and over. I guess you’ve learned that tactic from your comrades on the right.
showing people that there are a lot of other like-minded ones and that they can “stick it to the man” if they have sufficient numbers.
There’s already a scientific method for doing this that hundreds of millions of people in the global south have used to materially benefit their lives, it’s called Marxism-Leninism
brigading is brigading… I never claimed that the messages were equally bad.
There’s no evidence of any brigading, anarchist mods are banning people for being different kinds of leftists from them. That’s what’s happening there.
There is plenty of evidence. Just try to accept for once that your dear ML comrades can be pretty obnoxious at times (as can Anarchists ofc.).
A ML takeover of /r/antiwork is a bad idea in anyway you can look at it, even from the perspective of MLs. ML is a total fringe movement in the US, where /r/antiwork seems to have the most momentum. In fact years and years of capitalist propaganda has turned anything “communist” into a boogy-man that will turn away most people interested in /r/antiwork otherwise.
Strategically it is better to leave this in anarchist hands and stop pushing ML propaganda into /r/antiwork. I am sure people would be also much more willing to cooperate if the ML side wasn’t so pushy about it.
First, the whole notion of a takeover is a straw man. Second, exposing people to effective means of organizing and having an actual theory of change would be the real value. If it just ends up being a place where people moan about their jobs being awful and telling each other that they just need a better job, all it does is perpetuate the status quo.
Meanwhile, the same people who are claiming that MLs are being pushy are perfectly fine collaborating with nazis social democrats, and liberals. It’s quite telling that only MLs who are seen as a problem since they’re the only group that actually provides a way out.
Even if the takeover is incomplete, a sufficient number of MLs mansplaining something about the “dictatorship of the proletariat” or some other such non-sense will be a sure way to kill any momentum /r/antiwork has in the US right now.
/r/antwork is not anywhere near a place where effective organizing can take place; it’s mostly about showing people that there are a lot of other like-minded ones and that they can “stick it to the man” if they have sufficient numbers.
And those social democrats and liberals are at least not brigading other places and acting against their own interests while doing so.
This type of argument is precisely the sectarianism I’m talking about. Anarchists single out a particular group of leftists and say that they can’t participate. If people are behaving poorly, then moderators should deal with that on case by case basis as is done on plenty of other big subreddits. If somebody starts mansplaining then they can be deal with, and it certainly shouldn’t be restricted to MLs. Moderators siding with right wingers and liberals against other leftists just turns the whole thing into opportunism.
It’s also utterly false that social democrats and right wing trolls are not brigading. They absolutely are, but I guess anarchists see them as kindred spirits.
The moderators did their job and removed those brigading posts, just as they did here on Lemmy today. Other mansplaining posts are of course also removed, but when it is an organized effort to brigade a place then dealing with it on a case by case basis is unrealistic.
You still have not demonstrated the case that there is any brigading happening. You just keep repeating that over and over. I guess you’ve learned that tactic from your comrades on the right.
There’s already a scientific method for doing this that hundreds of millions of people in the global south have used to materially benefit their lives, it’s called Marxism-Leninism
poVoq stop provocation
I think these discussions are important to have though
Okay…
but yeah, it would be better to have them in a more constructive fashion