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    Who doesn’t like their tax dollars being spent on killing people instead of socialist stuff like healthcare, education, social workers and government services that actually serve citizens.

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      The USA could afford what’s being provided to Ukraine and socialized benefits. But chooses not to because of some dumb reason or another.

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          It’s more the hypocrisy of some people. The ones who cheer for a huge defense/foreign aid budget year after year no matter who it’s for, and then leave removed comments on FB about student loan forgiveness being “unfair” because it uses their tax dollars.

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        I mean, yeah, they have the biggest money printer on the planet, so they could’ve socialized almost everything for their citizens if it didn’t go all into their black budgets, military, bribery and foreign meddling instead, but here they are, 32T in debt, double the debt from 10 years ago, ~100k of debt per person. If that’s not a failed state, I don’t know what is.

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          If that’s not a failed state, I don’t know what is.

          You probably don’t know what is it. I mean, look at South Africa for a recent example of a failed state.

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            perhaps do some research on the colonial history of South Africa and Western exploitation and read up on the definition of the term failed state and then look at some news reports regarding the US. I don’t know how some of you people keep on coming up with these cheap rebuttals that you obviously haven’t spent more than a minute of thinking on.

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      So, in your mind, helping to prevent civilians from dying in a war zone and stopping countries being taken over by foreign powers to be exploited is not a worthy humanitarian effort?

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        European countries are taking somewhat decent care of Ukrainian refugees, which can’t be said for refugees that aren’t white skinned.

        And did you just collate military equipment with a humanitarian effort or am misreading that?

        I’m in full support of any real humanitarian aid possible: Support their wounded and sick, support their people with basic needs (generators/energy, food, water, clothing, temporary housing, psych support etc).

        Sometimes I’m really surprised at some of these questions you people come up with.

        Edit: Typo.

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          Europe has taken in millions of non-white refugees and taken great care of them. How many have Russia and china taken in? India? Brazil?

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            India and Brazil, famous white countries. Aren’t you people the “this is whataboutism” spam guys?

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            Look it up. I’m not your personal researcher, sorry. I’m happy to provide sources to backup claims I’ve brought up myself.

            I never compared Europe to other nations in terms of harboring refugees and I didn’t even imply that Europe hasn’t been taking in refugees. I wish you’d spend a bit more time reading and understanding what people are writing instead of just coming up with cheap rhetorical or whataboutism questions.

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              My point is people to want to go there. They want to go to Europe because they’ll have good opportunities and be treated relatively well.

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        That’s what Russia is doing yes.

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      They have no need for healthcare, education and stuff. They are afraid of their own shadows, they just need guns to defend themselves. In the end, they can just eat those bullets to survive. …or shoot some skool.

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        To be global authoritarian you have to be the wealthiest and most powerful. And currently there is only one government and its army that takes this title.

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        authoritarian threats

        This is a meaningless term used in this way. Every state is authoritarian, by definition. The only “state” that isn’t authoritarian is anarchy, and that’s only not an authoritarian state because it’s not a state. Use more accurate terms if you want to make a point.

        Countries are ignoring global authoritarian threats, by ignoring themselves, but that’s probably not the point you were trying to make.

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            rejection of political plurality,

            Like when so much money is funnelled into US politics that only two capitalist ‘parties’ are able to compete, and they have almost identical policies except for some window dressing?

            the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo,

            Like when the republicans block democrat legislation, even though the democrats are in power?

            and reductions in the rule of law,

            What happened to Roe v Wade and how?

            separation of powers,

            Like when the previous POTUS secures a GOP majority on the Supreme Court, which the current POTUS can’t change?

            and democratic voting.

            Like suppressing votes by criminalising being black and requiring voter ID?

            The problem with the term ‘authoritarian’ is that it’s either meaningless and applies to everybody or nobody and is used as a weak rhetorical device, or it’s given some theoretical basis and it applies to every state and is used to shed light on state relations. Either way, it’s not a coherent criticism in an of itself.

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              criminalizing being black

              Not much fun or use “debating” someone who says this kind of thing.

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                  It’s not whataboutism, whatever that means. It’s an illustration that the use of ‘authoritarian/ism’ as a pejorative against one state in particular is a kind of inverse category error. The fact that a state is authoritarian is not automatically negative (except to anarchists); the term applies to every state. Hence, to use ‘authoritarian\ism’ to imply a negative is only coherent if one means to criticise the state form itself.