Looks like redditors have discovered that /r/AskSocialists was taken over by the ACP. But then posts criticizing them have been getting deleted in /r/socialism, too, so seems they’re also in there. Since /r/thedeprogram was shut down it doesn’t seem good for the left on reddit, although at least a bunch of people are aware of the issue now.
My main interaction (sort of) with ACP is seeing one post “ask an american communist anything” on XHS (spoiler), and hilariously this person was like “yeah I’m a real communist unlike PSL or DSA posers”
Can’t imagine anything more actually communist than initiating sectarianism online and declaring yourself the one true leftist tbf
Wasn’t the communist on the Daily Show recently an ACP member? That might be the closest I’ve gotten to them lol. Or was that CPUSA?
CPUSA
One of the leaders in fact.
Not yet being banned from
. This is a 12th type.I’ve been banned like seven times in five years but I keep going back because I’m a little piggie
oink oink
What’s ACP stand for?
Someone else said the answer (American Communist Party), but they’re basically trying to literally be nationalist socialists, but you know what that means lol.
What happens if you take class reductionism too far. From what I understand, they don’t care about anyone other than white people, and super nationalist so they don’t care about American imperialism. I’ve also heard the term MAGA communism or NazBols to refer to them.
I, a communist 100% opposed to their vision and analysis, think it’s good to have a better analysis of exactly where they are wrong. Just “class reductionism” doesn’t really cover it, because it’s a very specific sort of limited scope. Sometimes class reductionism is saying that an analysis limits itself to only class (harmful in the long run, but not terrible to work with), but the ACP limits itself to a narrow view of what class means (worse). They look at only direct industrial production as “value creating” and take the hard stance that arises out of that assumption, and they limit “class relations” to “direct industrial production proles” vs “everyone else.” There is no other mode of dialectics relevant in their eyes. They are anti-identity politics (in the bad way, like anti-Losurdo’s inclusive “class” definition) and ultra about the strategies to be used for the chosen class.
I don’t think I’m directly disagreeing with you or anything, but I do think it’s important to name the exact disagreements or else it’s just throwing terms that not everyone understands. I, for example, don’t actually get what exactly you mean with “maga communism” or “nazbol” or “national socialist” in your comment. I’d guess we agree 100% but, you know, clarification for others is helpful, I hope
IMO an even bigger issue with them is that their primary purpose is to attempt to marry Amerikkkan nationalism with communism. In the 21st century, with the benefit of hindsight, this goes beyond bad analysis and into borderline hitlerism.
From what I’ve learned about them (just online shit, idk, not amerikkkan), this seems like it’s not explicitly a goal, but a result of their ‘direct industrial proles’ vs everyone analysis. Because they truly believe that this is the only contradiction that matters, they strategically don’t push back against American nationalism. It’s what anyone would do with that analysis. It’s just that analysis is completely wrong and horrible lol
Because they truly believe that this is the only contradiction that matters, they strategically don’t push back against American nationalism.
IMO that’s a bit too generous, they openly encourage it.
It’s just that analysis is completely wrong and horrible lol
True lol.
Not gonna say you’re wrong because I only see shit online about them, just that everything I’ve seen up to know can be clarified with my analysis. Very open to hearing that they’re also just outright US nationalists, though. Makes em easier to write off
It was briefly mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but not explained in detail. “MAGA Communism” is not a pejorative term for the ACP, it’s an actual strategy/ideology they advocate of courting the MAGA movement and emphasizing “patriotism” (nationalism). The actually describe it as “MAGA Communism”, it isn’t a label applied to them by others.
It’s more or less what you have described, with the addition of explicitly advocating anti-internationalist (and “patriotic” AKA nationalist) and socially conservative positions (among others). If you have the misfortune of having read the things Infrahaz and Hinkle (founders of the party) write, they’re very plainly and proudly nationalists. It goes further than a passive strategic acceptance of nationalism and bigotry. Haz described himself as a “patriotic socialist”. Hinkle described himself as “American PATRIOT, GOD fearing, Pro-FAMILY, Marxist Leninist, Pro-PALESTINE, RUSSIA & CHINA, Anti-DEEP STATE, Anti-IMPERIALIST, Anti-WOKE, Pro-GROWTH, ANTI-MONOPOLY, Pro-GUN, [and] Pro-FOSSIL FUEL”. They align themselves with Dugin and LaRouchites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Communist_Party_(2024)#MAGA_Communism
According to Haz Al-Din, while Trump is anti-communist, by attracting working class and anti-establishment voters and questioning the dogmas of “political correctness” and globalization, he created a movement that can “achieve more left-wing transformations than the left itself”.
This is just a rounding error away from actual hitlerism. This man is the chairman of the party.
Damn, so it’s literally class reductionism in that they have reduced their class to factory workers who use industrial machinery
Fuck, these people are so fucking stupid what the fuck.
On a serious note, these people need to go
“national socialist” is what “Nazi” is short for; the Nazis were, formally, the national socialist German worker’s party. Nazbol is short for National Bolshevik, which was a similar and slightly earlier ultranationalist movement in Germany that from what I understand leaned a bit harder into appropriating left wing ideas.
Maga communism is effectively the same thing for modern America - “socialist” right wingers who lean into MAGA stuff to try to appeal to a reactionary base, which (I suspect and hope) is unlikely to get the same traction as the previous ideologies because said reactionary base just isn’t as big or radicalized as they think.
Take this with a pinch of salt, I am not American or an expert in either history or politics but this is my understanding.
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I appreciate the extra information! Was hoping someone else would pop in with extra analysis I didn’t feel like giving lol.
What happens if you take class reductionism too far.
aren’t they the ones that think baristas are bourgeois or something? or was that another patsoc group?
That’s them.
American Communist Party (they’re not communist)
Aren’t they essentially just a giant fed honey pot?
Wasn’t that CPUSA? Or was it both?
Cpusa was infiltrated by the feds heavily back in the day, have a reputation of tailing dems in elections, but also have a deep and archived history of the american socialist movement and contain many very good people and organizers. Like most american left groups that aren’t ACP or some weird Maoist cult, there are upsides and downsides.
Acp conpared to cpusa is like comparing a retirement home to the Langley CIA headquarters.
True, but it’s a retirement home for German veterans.
Mmm they’re more like SPD Eiserne Front officeworker retirees
So German veterans?
I didn’t realize they were separate organizations
Anus constipated poop
Got 'em!
The Good subreddit is trueanon
Got called an ACP member there for saying Israel is worse than Russia. Its days are numbered. Either by libs or astroturffing.
called an ACP member there for saying Israel is worse than Russia
What even is the reasoning for this?I think people expect or believe the ACP to fully support Russia (not critically support in its war against western imperialism). Like to even personally love Putin etc.
the problem with reddit is libs filter in to any mildly popular subreddit every time a post hits r/all. if moderation falls asleep at the wheel for even a minute it becomes unbearable
It’s going to be impossible to moderate because it’s like big-tent-ish and quasi-marxist so they don’t want to have to moderate that hard. On top of the botting and astroturfing that’s overwhelmed Reddit at this point. Any time Russia-Ukraine or Palestine-Israel get mentioned you’re getting at least a handful of accounts responding to it. China and Uyghurs used to be like this too until I guess USAID funding dropped and/or they moved on to China-Taiwan talking points.
It’s a losing battle unless you specifically censor certain opinions, i.e. democratic centralism, which that looseknit conspiracy crowd of cats isn’t going to do. And then still get banned by Reddit after awhile anyway.
It’s why I really hope Lemmy/Hexbear start thinking of good ways to counter bots and shit in the future.
idk so far it feels like the overt liberalism always gets called out. i kinda prefer it that way bc i mostly go on reddit to get into arguments tbh. reddit is like a huge c/slop
lemmygrad and hexbear have manual vetting at least. there might have to be some defederation at some point too but i kinda feel like botting communist websites is a dead end as far as psyops go. i guess maybe they’ll try to turn us into trots lol
are they not ableist anymore?
They absolutely are AFAIK, but definitely so are the ACP grifters so I guess TrueAnon is still the lesser evil.
The good subreddit is banned or never existed in the first place, people should stop expecting anything from the CIA website.
It’s true but they’re under constant bombardment from redscarepod and liberals, so the culture is in a constant flux of contradictory ableism and cryptofacism versus principled leftism. The zog nonsense will some days be massively upvoted with pushback buried at the bottom, then the next day it flips to downvoting zog and upvoting principled antizionism
Basically the least exciting/impactful battleground in history
I’m always upvoted and that’s all that matters
I thought you were talking about the other fascist group that has taken over a bunch of socialist subs (r/EuropeanSocialists for example) for sure.
Lol had no idea about that one. Hopefully more socialists can find spacesike Lemmy away from the corporate-owned social media.
Dude /r/AskSocialists is hilarious half the posts there are like asking an obvious question “should socialists feed the homeless?” and the post would be of Hinkle organising a food drive or smth
Revenge for catgirlspls
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