• assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Is a candidate you agree with 100% but who has 0% chance of winning the best candidate? Or, is it the candidate you agree with 75% and has 60% chance of winning?

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      1 year ago

      The current two-party system we have is god awful. We can’t leave it like this. What are we supposed to do? How do you propose we get single-payer M4A? UBI? Green New Deal? Free college tuition? Ratifying the Convention on the Rights of the Child? Codifying the rights of queer people? Codifying Roe v Wade? What specifically are we supposed to do about this if voting doesn’t work? Am I missing something here? How do we get out of this nightmare? ~Cherri

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        1 year ago

        Campaign within the Democratic Party for those positions- they already have a lot of support.

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          Enough support among other politicians within the Democratic Party to get them to pass this stuff if they have a majority? ~Cherri

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            1 year ago

            Yes. That’s unfortunately how it is in a 2 party system which is guaranteed by the game theory behind first part the past voting. Burying your head in the sand and pretending otherwise with a 3rd party vote leads to a spoiling effect more destructive to your cause.

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              I was asking about if the policies I mentioned have enough support within the Democratic Party that the Dems will actually implement those policies when they have a majority rather than them being shot down by people like Manchin and Sinema. ~Cherri

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                1 year ago

                Youre asking under the context of others (and yourself?) justifying 3rd party vote. I can’t predict how the democrats would vote if/when they have a have a majority. I’m saying if you want those policies the only realistic path forward is to fight for it within the democratic party which was an earlier question of yours. 3rd party vote is strictly counterproductive to those goals. Certainly if Manchin and Sinema are barriers to that, the path forward is to fight for them to be pushed/primaried out and those policies are more likely to be implemented. Progressives represent a large group within the democratic party and more representation for them will shift the Overton window in their direction.

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            1 year ago

            I believe so. My goal is to get Democrats an unassailable majority, without needing people like Manchin. I think we’ll see a lot of great changes if that happens.

            If we get to that point and Democrats still don’t get things done, and there’s no reasonable explanation, I will turn on them on a dime.

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              So what do we do to make sure they actually get a majority and that either people like Manchin and Sinema aren’t in it or that they choose to stop shooting down progressive policies and all that? ~Cherri

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                1 year ago

                Voting as much as we can for every position and making sure our friends do too. Volunteering and organizing campaigns too, if you’re inclined.

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                  1 year ago

                  I’m not sure where to start with campaigns and stuff. And honestly I’m worried it won’t work, or at least not anywhere near as quickly as the far-right can go around acrewing shit up. People have been trying this stuff for a long time. Will it ever be enough?.. ~Cherri