People who say stuff like this are in a place of privilege. “Who cares if Trump wins again, we’ll organize against him!” Meanwhile he consolidates control (see his recent comments about increasing presidential powers), bans trans healthcare (even for adults), and appointing more SCOTUS justices that will make your organizing pointless.
Abstaining from voting is handing power to the far right.
No its not voting is handing power to neo liberal warmongers. Biden and Obama are really fighting against this he totally is defending you and not just his business interests. To claim my position is privileged is to ignore that you can’t destroy the united states by working within its systems.
Why not its a blatantly oppressive imperialist settler colonial power. If you don’t want to destroy it you are arguing for continuing the oppression of people around the world, the continued occupation of indigenous land and the continued exploitation of black people. The united states has all these as a central pillar and can’t exist without them. So should these exist or should the united states exist?
False dichotomy. The US ceasing to exist does not stop those things from happening. Indeed, in the short term, things would probably get a hell of a lot worse, as there would be a massive, global power vacuum.
The US ceasing to exist won’t stop those things by themself but it is necessary to stop them at all. Stop with this global power vacuum nonsense the US enforcing imperialism and its economic interests abroad isn’t a good thing and stopping it won’t make the world worse.
The collapse of the Roman Empire led to hundreds of years of conflict and poverty in Europe. We see the same today in the wake of the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East & North Africa.
Do you have any reasonable expectation of what happens in the aftermath? Or do you just want to burn it down without thinking about the consequences?
The collapse of the ottoman empire isn’t responsible for the current state of the middle east and North Africa at least not completely. I like how you ignore the exploitation of these areas but US/British/French imperialism as a cause. Organize society non-hierarchically, decolonize the world and so much more and none of this will happen while the US is importing neo liberalism and violently enforcing the economic interests of their elite.
He doesn’t have to fight for me, but he’s most certainly not actively fighting against me. There is a big difference between a party rooted in corruption and too busy stuffing their own pockets to care, and a party rooted in corruption that’s actively scapegoating the vulnerable, minorities, and the non-wealthy in order to enrich itself.
Except he is actively fighting against you in many of his actions he enables the republicans to enrich himself and similar rich elites. He is actively supporting Palestinian genocide, the violence of borders. enhancing the police while they harass imprison and kill with immunity. To claim he is not fighting against you is wrong if you are poor, nonwhite, non citizen or many other groups.
Never said the republicans weren’t fighting against you as well they are allies against you. The only realistic option to stop the climate collapse and the mass exploitation of capitalism is to destroy the current world order completely.
So stop the impending societal collapse by…hastening societal collapse?
There is a conversation to be had about reforms that absolutely need to be driven in the progressive arm of the Democratic party in general, but that is a separate conversation and one to be had through primary votes and reform (at least in the current iteration of the electoral system). What you’re advocating above is the equivalent of shooting myself in the dick to prevent an oncoming car from hitting me. The car is still going to hit me, but now I’ll also have a blown off dick.
The current society is horrible. There is no reforming the united states. All current countries need to destroyed . The current order isn’t your ally you need to save but your enemy you need to destroy.
The current order, to which you mean the freely elected representation of the public. Maybe the people will rise up and then we can have a dictator be even worse as what always occurs in any communist system. That is because every communist system doesn’t get rid of the root of the problem, money and ownership. All it ever does is allow the powerful to take everything and leave nothing for the rest. See the USSR, North Korea, and China. Humans suck and communism is not the answer. The answer is a well-regulated free market system that rewards success, taxes the wealthy and provides for those in need. I think we will see that transition in the next 30 years in the United States, but the wealthy will be kicking and screaming the whole way as they lose power.
People who say stuff like this are in a place of privilege. “Who cares if Trump wins again, we’ll organize against him!” Meanwhile he consolidates control (see his recent comments about increasing presidential powers), bans trans healthcare (even for adults), and appointing more SCOTUS justices that will make your organizing pointless.
Abstaining from voting is handing power to the far right.
No its not voting is handing power to neo liberal warmongers. Biden and Obama are really fighting against this he totally is defending you and not just his business interests. To claim my position is privileged is to ignore that you can’t destroy the united states by working within its systems.
What if… and hear me out here… I don’t want to destroy the United States?
Why not its a blatantly oppressive imperialist settler colonial power. If you don’t want to destroy it you are arguing for continuing the oppression of people around the world, the continued occupation of indigenous land and the continued exploitation of black people. The united states has all these as a central pillar and can’t exist without them. So should these exist or should the united states exist?
False dichotomy. The US ceasing to exist does not stop those things from happening. Indeed, in the short term, things would probably get a hell of a lot worse, as there would be a massive, global power vacuum.
The US ceasing to exist won’t stop those things by themself but it is necessary to stop them at all. Stop with this global power vacuum nonsense the US enforcing imperialism and its economic interests abroad isn’t a good thing and stopping it won’t make the world worse.
The collapse of the Roman Empire led to hundreds of years of conflict and poverty in Europe. We see the same today in the wake of the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East & North Africa.
Do you have any reasonable expectation of what happens in the aftermath? Or do you just want to burn it down without thinking about the consequences?
The collapse of the ottoman empire isn’t responsible for the current state of the middle east and North Africa at least not completely. I like how you ignore the exploitation of these areas but US/British/French imperialism as a cause. Organize society non-hierarchically, decolonize the world and so much more and none of this will happen while the US is importing neo liberalism and violently enforcing the economic interests of their elite.
China is already colonizing. The best you can hope for is the quick, relatively peaceful ascendancy of a new global hegemon.
He doesn’t have to fight for me, but he’s most certainly not actively fighting against me. There is a big difference between a party rooted in corruption and too busy stuffing their own pockets to care, and a party rooted in corruption that’s actively scapegoating the vulnerable, minorities, and the non-wealthy in order to enrich itself.
Except he is actively fighting against you in many of his actions he enables the republicans to enrich himself and similar rich elites. He is actively supporting Palestinian genocide, the violence of borders. enhancing the police while they harass imprison and kill with immunity. To claim he is not fighting against you is wrong if you are poor, nonwhite, non citizen or many other groups.
True…but the other realistic option under the current US electoral system is THE REPUBLICANS. The ones that you’re blaming him for enabling.
Might want to look up the last few years of Republican policies and talking points. Gaslighting is not a good look
Never said the republicans weren’t fighting against you as well they are allies against you. The only realistic option to stop the climate collapse and the mass exploitation of capitalism is to destroy the current world order completely.
So stop the impending societal collapse by…hastening societal collapse?
There is a conversation to be had about reforms that absolutely need to be driven in the progressive arm of the Democratic party in general, but that is a separate conversation and one to be had through primary votes and reform (at least in the current iteration of the electoral system). What you’re advocating above is the equivalent of shooting myself in the dick to prevent an oncoming car from hitting me. The car is still going to hit me, but now I’ll also have a blown off dick.
The current society is horrible. There is no reforming the united states. All current countries need to destroyed . The current order isn’t your ally you need to save but your enemy you need to destroy.
The current order, to which you mean the freely elected representation of the public. Maybe the people will rise up and then we can have a dictator be even worse as what always occurs in any communist system. That is because every communist system doesn’t get rid of the root of the problem, money and ownership. All it ever does is allow the powerful to take everything and leave nothing for the rest. See the USSR, North Korea, and China. Humans suck and communism is not the answer. The answer is a well-regulated free market system that rewards success, taxes the wealthy and provides for those in need. I think we will see that transition in the next 30 years in the United States, but the wealthy will be kicking and screaming the whole way as they lose power.
And how does that happen realistically?
Yeah, I remember being 14 as well my young friend
So what do you suggest? Armed insurrection? Let’s see how well 1/6/31 goes for you
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