But seriously though, I don’t want my feed filled with Facebook posts.
Hey everybody come look at the off-putting nerd that scares away the hot girls at parties with his screeds
Why yes, I have been told by friends that I don’t need to respond to memes with an in depth analysis because its just a joke, how did you know?
Well this sounds familiar
This meme is itself a screed and not a joke lol come off it
Yeah that’s my reason for wanting to defederate aswell. Not the fear of EEE or such
I think this is a culture clash between the privacy minded FOSS crowd that is naturally drawn to a project like Lemmy and the influx of average redditors thats just looking for a new home.
If you already have zero trust in these megacorporations you will naturally gravitate towards preemtive defederation.
and we’re better off for it – it’s such a pleasure to be able to have more coherent (and dare I say, insightful) conversations again!
If you’re out there reading this as a reddit user looking for a new home, and you can still have trust in these megacorporations, idek what to say lmao
Accurate. I’ve known for years that Reddit was going to go this way. As soon as I heard of this place I was onboard.
I don’t think any sane reddit refugee would trust corporations after experiencing first-hand how that ends up lol
The fediverse is entirely public. Every action you take (all posts, votes, favorites, etc) is public. Meta will scrape all the data whether Threads federates or not, there’s no privacy difference because there’s no privacy!
I think the only people here not wanting to defederate from fb are trolls.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll” - terrible take.
I’ve seen two reasons to defederate, one is a “lack of trust”, which is hilarious because you’re on an open platform and you really shouldn’t “trust” anyone here, and if you think defederation is going to keep corporate interests out of the fediverse as it grows… Lol
The other is an overwhelming change in content, which I think is the only fair reason to defederate.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll” - terrible take.
That take of that take is a terrible take. In fact, it’s a circular argument because one could argue that you are, yourself, overgeneralizing anyone who has a dissenting opinion from your own.
People are allowed to like or dislike what they like or dislike. If you feel marginalized because your opinion is unpopular, whining about it doesn’t/won’t change anyone’s minds.
Having an unpopular opinion doesn’t make you a troll. We can argue good/bad opinion all we want. But calling someone a troll for disagreeing with you is just plain rude.
We need to go deeper, this take of my take of that take is a terrible take.
I never said I felt marginalized, I never whined, I never said people can’t dislike what I like, and I clearly don’t care about having an unpopular opinion or I would’ve left Lemmy by now lol.
You’ve essentially made my point for me, which is that an opinion does not make someone a troll just because you disagree. Discussing in bad faith is what makes someone a troll, e.g. pulling strawman arguments out of your ass
Lack of trust has nothing to do with being an open platform. Or rather, its a very stupid argument to tell that there is no reason because its a open platform.
Everyone on activityhub is mostly non-profit and dont have the intention to be the number one and rich. Meta/Facebook on the other hand is trying to be number one and extinguish everything. Aka EEE
And your evidence they’re coming in to “extinguish” the “threat” of at most a few milion fediverse users is a failed Microsoft playbook from the 90s that didn’t even target open source software? Lol alright
The evidence is just not really given, its a conclusion because Facebook is a pure capitalistic company that loves to break laws for money. Why would they not wont to be the number one?
Well first of all, I don’t have to provide evidence to disprove a statement you made without evidence.
Second, my point is that they’re a capitalist company, that’s exactly why they want to be the only one with your data.
I think Lemmy should defederate from threads for the simple fact that I don’t want to read mastodon or threads post on my Lemmy feed anymore than I want to scroll through twitter from the reddit app
This is what has caused an incredible amount of confusion for me. Are we defederated from Mastadon? Because if not, I see near zero Mastadon posts. Why would Threads be any different?
No, Threads wouldn’t be any different, there’d be a negligable effect on Lemmy. Just insane amounts of FUD going on.
Wait, I’m supposed to see mastodon posts here?
Are people really saying “the fediverse is doomed”?
idk, but for Lemmy/kbin/mastodon to be successful, it needs good word-of-mouth advertising. I didn’t end up on reddit because of an ad I saw somewhere.
Lemmy desperately needs to up the user friendliness of the system, which is incredibly hard. It’s hard to encourage people to switch when the effort to get a somewhat working feed is so high.
I hadn’t thought about it much until now, but you’re right. I check all at times, but it isn’t as genpop ready as, say, Reddit.
That being said, my subscribed feed is great. The content is pretty good, and so too feel the interactions.
It might be frowned upon by some, but a lot of people could benefit from something like a default subscription list from a sample of instances.
Another QOL thing can be the right app or web app. E.g., Memmy and mlmym.org make the UX solid out of the box. A lot of folks might have to stumble upon those bits of info here, though, as opposed to an “onboarding” process.
Absolutely right - Signing up needs to be as easy as signing up for reddit. And same with searching for and subscribing to communities, even on other instances. Your average user wants the technical details of the Fediverse abstracted away from them. Anything beyond that and adoption won’t be what we (most of us?) would like it to be.
The search sucks, but I’m used to that from reddit. I subscribe from the all feed and that works well.
I think it worked for me because I just had faith (or confirmed) that stuff was working. People threw their hands up because some subscriptions said pending, but it showed up in my subscribed list so I ignored that it said pending.
There should be an All option that shows literally everything that your instance is federated with. I really don’t understand why that isn’t a thing already.
There sort of is, at least I think I get that with Jerboa, but I believe it’s only federated communities someone has subscribed to, which is most but not quite all.
Another big part is stitching communities back together. There are like 10 popular memes communities that have 99% the same content, I don’t need to see the same post that many times in my feed.
Absolutely. You should see some of the handwringing going on over the idea that the mere existence of Threads is a scheme designed specifically and only to destroy the fediverse (as opposed to, y’know, their actual competition, Twitter). Way too many people throwing around the phrase Embrace, Extend, Exterminate without actually understanding what it means or how it might realistically apply to this situation.
Like, let’s be clear, Threads sucks, and there are plenty of good reasons to defederate with it. But it’s not a plot to destroy us. Zuck doesn’t even know we exist.
Isn’t it “embrace, extend, exterminate”?
It is. People forget things. Get over it.
Wait I thought it was “embrace, extend, extinguish”?
That’s the more common variant, but “embrace, extend, exterminate” is also used.
Honestly, I don’t see why Threads couldn’t be intended to destroy both Twitter foremost, and also the fediverse before it’s big enough to pose any real threat: Mastodon has some two million monthly active users right now, which is tiny compared to Twitter/Threads, yes, but it’s also not nothing, especially for what Mastodon is and how quickly it managed to reach that level of usage.
So I don’t doubt that Threads has ill intentions for both the underdog and overdog. I just don’t think that the fediverse can be killed that easily.
Yeah, lol. But tbh threads can get outta hand but if Lemmy is doomed the next thing will have risen up 3 years ago and will have a small but enthusiastic community waiting for us.
I came here because Reddit is changing, and I don’t like it. I’m generally helpful. But if someone is being an idiot, or a bigot. I want to point and laugh at them if I so choose.
For a while the content on Reddit has been lacking, and people (myself included) are having to watch what they say. I wanted to find a place where I can generally be helpful and share my “old person knowledge”, but if someone’s being an a not great human being. I don’t have to be afraid to tell them so.
The biggest problem that I see with Lemmy is the sign up process. If someone were to ask me to explain to them how to sign up. I’m not sure I could. Like I googled “how to create Lemmy account”. I found a Reddit post that offered a list of Lemmy instances. The first like 3 I tried didn’t work.
When I finally found one that let me create a login. The rest was pretty easy. Honestly, since getting here I enjoy Lemmy more than Reddit these days. I don’t quite have my news dialed in like I want yet, but I’ll get there.
Anyway, that’s my two cents as a new user.
I think that’s why, when twitter first got shitty and everyone said to go to Mastodon, not that many people (relatively) did. Because, no one knew how to explain it in a way for non techy people to understand or want to deal with.
I also think it’s much easier to explain now, tell them to go to https://join-lemmy.org/ and pick a server. “which one?” Doesn’t matter, click one, read the sidebar, If you agree with what they said then sign up, if not pick another one. (Or just tell them to pick the one you signed up for already) That’s your lemmy site now and you can see all the content from the all the other lemmy sites from yours unless it’s blocked.
Same thing for Mastodon https://joinmastodon.org/servers
If it is not important, that join-lemmy cound just send them to random one, and not asking confusing questions.
I’m hoping that as the platform matures and we start seeing various apps and even more web-based interfaces like wefwef Voyager, the signup process will be handled by those apps themselves. Like, a bunch of instances agree to be listed or something, and the app randomly selects one to present the new user on signup as a default, which both distributes the “load” across instances, but also provides a simple default.
I know the above proposal has problems; it’s a 30-second spitball idea, not anything I’m spending more time thinking about seriously.
Don’t worry, they’ll defederate you, if you allow NSFW content.
Guys… guys… this just in. Zuck bad.
Wait…what? I’m shocked
(Me, who left Facebook/Insta in 2018)
Zuckers gotta zuck.
Join the Dark Order.
I wish all memes had the OpenDyslexic font, ngl.
It’s the font I like the most since I discover it some time ago.
The nice solution: “Defederate preemptively.”
The substill solution: “Create an army of bots that spam goatse, tubgirl, and other offensive content in response to any threads user post or comment. Make Meta flee.”
ANNA!
“enshittification” in every other post
His hands are so small.
