One pollster sees “flashing red” signs on youth turnout as Gen Z and millennial voters, who are not satisfied with either party, could again play a decisive role in the next election.
Compromise often results in a half-measure. I mean do you want to live in a democracy where unfortunately you have a lot of people who “want” (lots of misinformed/idiots imo) to ignore climate change or private insurance, etc, or do you want a dictator to take over and “fix” it all? Why are we pointing the finger at the Democrats not fully fixing any of those issues when the GOP is the exactly the reason for the half-measures.
That said, I think without the pressure from progressives on Biden and central Dems, you don’t even get an attempt at student loan forgiveness. Or whatever he’s going to do to try and workaround the BS scotus ruling. So I’m not against holding the democratic party accountable, just that no one ever holds the fucking GOP accountable and it gets a bit tiring to see people shit on Biden or dems in general for not being able to be as progressive as they want. There is another half of the US that unfortunately does not agree with you (or me).
People point the finger at democrats because they campaign on getting these things done, republicans don’t.
They have had real opportunities to get these things done, like I noted about single-payer healthcare in 2008. There was a clear mandate from the voting populous, a filibuster-proof super majority in the senate and a 31 seat majority in the house and compromise was made because the house caucus of Blue Dog Coalition of democrats didn’t want it, not republicans.
Biden just had a majority in the senate and house for two years and a mandate to act on student loans through filibuster-proof reconciliation. He was stopped by two democrats, not republicans.
They didn’t even repeal the Trump tax cuts that he campaigned on, which also could have been passed through reconciliation. Again, stopped by two democrats.
Child tax care credits were taken away in the budget , not by republicans, but by a single democrat.
You can say “Well, NO republicans voted for any of those things” but that’s exactly what the republicans were voted in to do.
So because 1-2 Democrats held up progress you’re going to support the party that had all 49-50 members opposed to your goals?
I empathize with your frustration with the Democratic party but voting 3rd party only puts the Republicans in power. The most useful thing to do within the current voting structure is to use the Primary Elections to try to nominate a more radical senator or representative that thinks like you.
So because 1-2 Democrats held up progress you’re going to support the party that had all 49-50 members opposed to your goals?
Jesus Christ, centrists need to stop this. Not everyone who is mad at Democrats for a decades long pattern of “ooooops! Just enough Democrats killed that progressive thing! lol vote harder!” supports Republicans.
What, you didn’t know? The way to drive youth turnout is to constantly scold them for any criticism they have of the democratic party and blame them for any defeat.
I think the issue is the definition of “supports”.
If you take your (valid) frustration out in the general election then yes, you are supporting republicans in a very material way. For example voting for a 3rd party or not voting (e.g. helping a republican win).
If, on the other hand, you get involved in primaries and donate to candidates that better align with your goals, even to the point of forwarding dems that might lose in the general election then you’re not supporting republicans — you’re instead supporting the left side of the dems (and are willing to lose if you need to). The idea is similar to how the radical right wing has captured the republican party. Do the same for your position.
What really annoys people (it pisses me the fuck off) are people that see the dems lose by a vote or two, because some fuck dem sided with the republicans, and therefore decide that both parties are the same or that their best bet is to support republicans more. Its such a lousy non-nuanced view that it just highlights why the black&white super right wing “fuck nuance” people are winning.
What pisses me off is when someone sees Democrats find just enough no votes like fucking always and is unhappy about it, and is then greeted with “both sides! bot! russian republican troll!”
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support republicans and won’t vote for a third party. But I completely empathize with disaffected youth voters and see where they’re coming from.
I do vote in local elections, in fact my local party just won a special election to get one of those like-minded candidates to city council!
Compromise often results in a half-measure. I mean do you want to live in a democracy where unfortunately you have a lot of people who “want” (lots of misinformed/idiots imo) to ignore climate change or private insurance, etc, or do you want a dictator to take over and “fix” it all? Why are we pointing the finger at the Democrats not fully fixing any of those issues when the GOP is the exactly the reason for the half-measures.
That said, I think without the pressure from progressives on Biden and central Dems, you don’t even get an attempt at student loan forgiveness. Or whatever he’s going to do to try and workaround the BS scotus ruling. So I’m not against holding the democratic party accountable, just that no one ever holds the fucking GOP accountable and it gets a bit tiring to see people shit on Biden or dems in general for not being able to be as progressive as they want. There is another half of the US that unfortunately does not agree with you (or me).
People point the finger at democrats because they campaign on getting these things done, republicans don’t.
They have had real opportunities to get these things done, like I noted about single-payer healthcare in 2008. There was a clear mandate from the voting populous, a filibuster-proof super majority in the senate and a 31 seat majority in the house and compromise was made because the house caucus of Blue Dog Coalition of democrats didn’t want it, not republicans.
Biden just had a majority in the senate and house for two years and a mandate to act on student loans through filibuster-proof reconciliation. He was stopped by two democrats, not republicans.
They didn’t even repeal the Trump tax cuts that he campaigned on, which also could have been passed through reconciliation. Again, stopped by two democrats.
Child tax care credits were taken away in the budget , not by republicans, but by a single democrat.
You can say “Well, NO republicans voted for any of those things” but that’s exactly what the republicans were voted in to do.
So because 1-2 Democrats held up progress you’re going to support the party that had all 49-50 members opposed to your goals?
I empathize with your frustration with the Democratic party but voting 3rd party only puts the Republicans in power. The most useful thing to do within the current voting structure is to use the Primary Elections to try to nominate a more radical senator or representative that thinks like you.
Jesus Christ, centrists need to stop this. Not everyone who is mad at Democrats for a decades long pattern of “ooooops! Just enough Democrats killed that progressive thing! lol vote harder!” supports Republicans.
What, you didn’t know? The way to drive youth turnout is to constantly scold them for any criticism they have of the democratic party and blame them for any defeat.
I think the issue is the definition of “supports”.
If you take your (valid) frustration out in the general election then yes, you are supporting republicans in a very material way. For example voting for a 3rd party or not voting (e.g. helping a republican win).
If, on the other hand, you get involved in primaries and donate to candidates that better align with your goals, even to the point of forwarding dems that might lose in the general election then you’re not supporting republicans — you’re instead supporting the left side of the dems (and are willing to lose if you need to). The idea is similar to how the radical right wing has captured the republican party. Do the same for your position.
What really annoys people (it pisses me the fuck off) are people that see the dems lose by a vote or two, because some fuck dem sided with the republicans, and therefore decide that both parties are the same or that their best bet is to support republicans more. Its such a lousy non-nuanced view that it just highlights why the black&white super right wing “fuck nuance” people are winning.
What pisses me off is when someone sees Democrats find just enough no votes like fucking always and is unhappy about it, and is then greeted with “both sides! bot! russian republican troll!”
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support republicans and won’t vote for a third party. But I completely empathize with disaffected youth voters and see where they’re coming from.
I do vote in local elections, in fact my local party just won a special election to get one of those like-minded candidates to city council!