Why would communist support capitalists like Putin and Xi-Jinping which aren’t better than Liberal-capitalists ?

I am all in for stopping liberal capitalism, but I am more interested in implementing a happinex index like Buthan than living in oligarch-capitalist-regime like Russia/China

    • ManWithAHammer@lemmy.world
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      “I’m not a Putin apologist, I just coincidentally reach the same talking points as Russian propaganda through my totally unbiased research!”

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        Putin was forced to start a proxy war, shoot down a passenger plane, annex Crimea, invade the whole of Ukraine and commit multiple war crimes, because the people didn’t elect his friends, you see. /s

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        I’m not a Saddam, I just coincidentally reached the same talking points as Iraqi propaganda through my totally unbiased research.

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      The Maidan revolution happened because the Ukrainian parliament had been working on a trade agreement with the EU. Then Russian puppet Yanukovych gets elected and through Russian pressure discards this agreement completely. The Ukrainian people tired of living under Putins boot, much like Belarusian people still do, had a revolution which lead to the police killing many people. Once the revolution was over Russia immediately invaded Crimea. Painting Ukrainian independence not as an act of self determination but as American meddling is Russian propaganda. Painting Russian military invasion not as a military invasion but requirement from western aggression is also Russian propaganda. Stop supporting authoritarian regimes, they’re not your friend. Something the Ukrainian people have had to learn with their blood.

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      Could you elaborate on the „coup“? Are you talking about the democratic elections that took place?

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        They probably mean Ukrainian citizens ditching a ‘democratically elected’ president who they didn’t like, because he tried to make Ukraine more Russian than European.

        But that is still a democracy in work, when this is what most of citizens want. Especially when later democratic elections prove that (as it happened in Ukraine). Russia should not intervene, but they did and this destabilized the situation.

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          Democracy isn’t a violent street putsch forcing the elected president to flee the country.

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      I get called a tankie for pointing out the US role in destabilizing Ukraine and supporting the coup there than led directly to the civil war in Donbass.

      Well, now I’m curious. I know next to nothing about this, I barely knew where Ukraine was before 2016, so please share ;)

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        There was no US destabilising Ukraine, there was no coup, those are taken right from the Kremlin book of propaganda.

        There were civil society protests in Ukraine in 2014 to oppose government’s withdrawal from EU talks. Ukrainian government, then backed by Russia, used brutal force against civilians while Russia “secretly” and illegally annexed Crimea (as always with them, firstly not acknowledging anything, using so called little green men, russian soldiers without proper markings, who later got medals for it).

        At he same time, Russia invaded Donbas, again “secretly”, talking about “civil war”, but it was no civil war. The so called separatists were controlled by Moscow, supplied heavy weapons and even commanders by Moscow.

        Eight years later, they invaded massively and openly, bz make no mistake, Russia’s attempt to destroy and landgrab Ukraine lasts way longer than that.

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        OP is referring to the fact that the Ukrainian parliament was cozying up to the West, as the West was trying to get it as a close trade partner, which would have circumvented Ukraine’s reliance on Russia, effectively pulling it from Russia’s shrinking sphere of influence over to the West. Also, the revolution that started the open conflict has allegedly had a lot of clandestine support from the US.

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      I’m quite prepared to believe the US is involved here. There are lots of weapon sales and talk of investing in the rebuild.

      Follow the money