Honestly? Mac laptops are really good right now. The move to ARM based processes has gone… stupidly well. Had you asked me in 2019 if I thought ARM was ready for the main line I would of laughed at you, as would most IT enthusiasts.
But Apple did it, and the battery life savings they’ve managed are killer. Meanwhile Windows laptops can barely get sleep right.
HOLY YES. I have a Mac for personal use but my work issued laptop is a PC. I’m used to just closing the screen on my Mac and it’s asleep. Battery will hold indefinitely. My work one NEVER goes to sleep correctly. If I don’t completely shut it down it will 100% be dead the next day. Obviously there’s a wide range of PC laptops and not all of them are like that, but it’s the little things like this that drive me insane about PC.
My engagement was the links. It seems the problem is a problem regardless of Mac or Windows. The fact the problem is universal in my opinion makes the argument of your post pointless. Downvote away, people.
Edit: and I posted “the same two links” only twice. I’d hardly call that “everywhere” but we all use language differently. And let’s be real here — I got downvoted because I didn’t immediately jump on the Apple cult bandwagon lol. There are a number of posts I made in this conversation that weren’t rude or even incorrect and they still got down voted. Says enough, IMO. I’ll think twice before joining an apple thread next time that’s for sure. Learned my lesson!
This is the only thread people are having trouble communicating me with, and it’s not a coincidence it’s Apple. Please don’t let the door hit your huge ass ego on the way out of the thread.
I’m a Windows guy, but I just replaced my Surface Laptop with an M2 Air and love it. PC hardware is really stagnating right now. I still have my usual annoyances with macOS, but right now, I feel like they are worth living with for the performance and battery life.
I went from about 3 hours of battery time on a high end windows laptop doing my design workload to about 10 hours with the m2 pro. I still don’t know if I’ll stick with it long term, and I still much prefer to work at my windows desktop, but having a fast, battery sipping browsing/streaming laptop that can turn into my main workhorse when I’m out and about has been great. Plus the Unix environment means I’m not spinning up arch vms when I’m programming anymore.
Windows on ARM has existed for years btw, complete with x86/x64 emulation. The emulation is nowhere bear Rosetta levels unfortunately, which is the main thing holding it back.
Battery life and sleep/standby/resume times are amazing on it.
Microsoft need to get their own chips made like apple though, as using a slightly modified mobile phone SOC isn’t fixing the performance level to match apple.
I just bought a M2 MBP last week and have constantly been comparing it to my aging Intel MBP for work. The speed at login is so much better. And being able to actually run iOS apps natively is pretty neat.
I bought a 13" SurfaceBook 2 with the official Microsoft dock when it came out. I figured buying hardware from the company that makes the software would’ve given me the best experience.
After beginning to use the machine, I discovered that Microsoft’s own dock can’t even keep the machine powered under heavy load. The battery was discharging WHILE PLUGGED INTO THE WALL. I had to take breaks so that my computer wouldn’t shut down and could recharge.
I had been on Macs for years but decided to give MS a chance because Windows Subsystem for Linux looked pretty awesome. Needless to say, I’m back on a Mac.
I have a 2019 MBP for work, and honestly, it doesn’t sleep right, either. I’m kinda at the point where I think Intel has a significant problem.
Windows has become a lumbering trash heap, Intel doesn’t seem to be much better on the hardware side of things. Together, Wintel has kind of become something of a shit storm.
Definitely a lumbering trash heap. I just got a laptop with Win 11 Pro on it and Jesus Christ on toast it’s a hot mess of just absolute crap. Definitely makes me appreciate macOS.
Windows has been sleeping and rebooting in a matter of seconds for over a decade now 🤷♂️ there sure is a lot of circle jerking going on because of my comment. I don’t even have anything against iOS I was simply trying to ask about their biggest weakness.
And … yeah TBH things haven’t changed. MacOS still doesn’t support Vulkan or DirectX which immediately puts it in a niche space, and Proton also doesn’t work for MacOS, so MacOS is arguably well behind Linux in gaming (though there are a few good native ports of a few serious games – e.g., No Man’s Sky).
The issue is that you roll a D20 anytime you put it to sleep and if it rolls a prime number, the device actually randomly decides to overheat and drain your battery during “sleep” without any discernible cause.
Honestly? Mac laptops are really good right now. The move to ARM based processes has gone… stupidly well. Had you asked me in 2019 if I thought ARM was ready for the main line I would of laughed at you, as would most IT enthusiasts.
But Apple did it, and the battery life savings they’ve managed are killer. Meanwhile Windows laptops can barely get sleep right.
HOLY YES. I have a Mac for personal use but my work issued laptop is a PC. I’m used to just closing the screen on my Mac and it’s asleep. Battery will hold indefinitely. My work one NEVER goes to sleep correctly. If I don’t completely shut it down it will 100% be dead the next day. Obviously there’s a wide range of PC laptops and not all of them are like that, but it’s the little things like this that drive me insane about PC.
You literally just have to change the setting so it sleeps when you shut the lid. It’s in power options.
Theoretically, yes. In practice, most models have stupidly buggy ACPI implementations in their BIOS.
The struggle is, I’m very sorry to say, real.
https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-battery-drains-overnight
https://osxdaily.com/2021/10/20/why-macbook-draining-battery-sleeping/
🤷♂️ Seems to be an issue for a lot of people in general 🤷♂️
Edit: gotta love getting down voted for presenting opposing information to people in the Apple cult.
You are getting downvoted for not engaging with the actual argument of my post but simply spamming the same two links everywhere.
Not by me though. My instance doesn’t do downvotes.
My engagement was the links. It seems the problem is a problem regardless of Mac or Windows. The fact the problem is universal in my opinion makes the argument of your post pointless. Downvote away, people.
Edit: and I posted “the same two links” only twice. I’d hardly call that “everywhere” but we all use language differently. And let’s be real here — I got downvoted because I didn’t immediately jump on the Apple cult bandwagon lol. There are a number of posts I made in this conversation that weren’t rude or even incorrect and they still got down voted. Says enough, IMO. I’ll think twice before joining an apple thread next time that’s for sure. Learned my lesson!
You are an extremely poor communicator. And when people react negatively to that your get all huffy and start ranting about “the Apple cult”.
Bye Felicia. You will not be missed.
This is the only thread people are having trouble communicating me with, and it’s not a coincidence it’s Apple. Please don’t let the door hit your huge ass ego on the way out of the thread.
I’m a Windows guy, but I just replaced my Surface Laptop with an M2 Air and love it. PC hardware is really stagnating right now. I still have my usual annoyances with macOS, but right now, I feel like they are worth living with for the performance and battery life.
I went from about 3 hours of battery time on a high end windows laptop doing my design workload to about 10 hours with the m2 pro. I still don’t know if I’ll stick with it long term, and I still much prefer to work at my windows desktop, but having a fast, battery sipping browsing/streaming laptop that can turn into my main workhorse when I’m out and about has been great. Plus the Unix environment means I’m not spinning up arch vms when I’m programming anymore.
I really hope windows can launch support for ARM and we can start seeing M1/2 competitors in the PC space.
I love my MacBook and would get an ARM chip in a heartbeatwhen it’s time to upgrade my PC.
Windows on ARM has existed for years btw, complete with x86/x64 emulation. The emulation is nowhere bear Rosetta levels unfortunately, which is the main thing holding it back.
Battery life and sleep/standby/resume times are amazing on it.
Microsoft need to get their own chips made like apple though, as using a slightly modified mobile phone SOC isn’t fixing the performance level to match apple.
I just bought a M2 MBP last week and have constantly been comparing it to my aging Intel MBP for work. The speed at login is so much better. And being able to actually run iOS apps natively is pretty neat.
I bought a 13" SurfaceBook 2 with the official Microsoft dock when it came out. I figured buying hardware from the company that makes the software would’ve given me the best experience.
After beginning to use the machine, I discovered that Microsoft’s own dock can’t even keep the machine powered under heavy load. The battery was discharging WHILE PLUGGED INTO THE WALL. I had to take breaks so that my computer wouldn’t shut down and could recharge.
I had been on Macs for years but decided to give MS a chance because Windows Subsystem for Linux looked pretty awesome. Needless to say, I’m back on a Mac.
I have a 2019 MBP for work, and honestly, it doesn’t sleep right, either. I’m kinda at the point where I think Intel has a significant problem.
Windows has become a lumbering trash heap, Intel doesn’t seem to be much better on the hardware side of things. Together, Wintel has kind of become something of a shit storm.
Definitely a lumbering trash heap. I just got a laptop with Win 11 Pro on it and Jesus Christ on toast it’s a hot mess of just absolute crap. Definitely makes me appreciate macOS.
Oh, I don’t appreciate MacOS. I kind of dispise it.
But Microsoft still has made Windows a grotesque beast.
That’s fair. Different strokes and all but at least we can all agree that Windows is hot garbage.
Windows has been sleeping and rebooting in a matter of seconds for over a decade now 🤷♂️ there sure is a lot of circle jerking going on because of my comment. I don’t even have anything against iOS I was simply trying to ask about their biggest weakness.
s/iOS/MacOS/ :)
And … yeah TBH things haven’t changed. MacOS still doesn’t support Vulkan or DirectX which immediately puts it in a niche space, and Proton also doesn’t work for MacOS, so MacOS is arguably well behind Linux in gaming (though there are a few good native ports of a few serious games – e.g., No Man’s Sky).
The issue with Windows isn’t that it can’t sleep.
The issue is that you roll a D20 anytime you put it to sleep and if it rolls a prime number, the device actually randomly decides to overheat and drain your battery during “sleep” without any discernible cause.
https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-battery-drains-overnight
https://osxdaily.com/2021/10/20/why-macbook-draining-battery-sleeping/
Lol
The amount of possible hardware/software combinations in a windows laptop means these issues will in practice never get addressed.
I’m a windows guy, but I recognize that the deck is stacked heavily in favor of apple here, and they make good use of it.