BRUSSELS — Nearly 50,000 Russian men have died in the war in Ukraine, according to the first independent statistical analysis of Russia’s war dead.
Two independent Russian media outlets, Mediazona and Meduza, working with a data scientist from Germany’s Tübingen University, used Russian government data to shed light on one of Moscow’s closest-held secrets — the true human cost of its invasion of Ukraine.
Update: Full article in comments seperated also link to meduza in English
How many Ukrainians have died?
Too many, they are just trying to defend their home from aggressors.
Somewhere between 9000 and 42000 civilians depending on estimates, and probably 20000-30000 military, again depending on estimates.
Do you have any sources for these estimates?
I pulled them from the table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Total_casualties which seems to be kept fairly up-to-date with the reasonably credible claims, including the Meduza estimates. Original references are in the Wikipedia article.
I added the 30000 upper bound as a fudge for the Ukrainian military deaths because the one somewhat credible estimate from the US that table lists only covers up to May 2023. While Ukraine has been on the offensive since then, I don’t think increasing the KIA numbers by more than 50% in 2 months is credible even under the circumstances.
The methodology used here is specifically tied to Russia and cannot be used on Ukraine.
That doesn’t seem like an accurate statement at all. The methodology they used looks like it could be applied to any country that has public its analgous National Probate Registry. I’m not going to bother to check, but I’d be surprised if Ukraine didn’t also have this. So in theory, the exact same analysis could be used on Ukraine.
But it depends on how accurate and accessible their data stack is. Bureaucracy can make wild difference even with identical institutions, even inside one nation. I mean if it is possible, go ahead.
You said it’s specific to Russia and cannot be used on Ukraine. It is not specific to Russia, and whether it could be used on Ukraine or not is, as you now say, dependent on data accessibility. I was pointing out that your original comment was not accurate.
they don’t want to talk about that.
If pro-Russian media come up with a decent methodology to independently estimate Ukrainian losses, then I’m sure some discussion can be had around that.
Don’t expect the opposition to do the work for you.
If pro-Ukrainian media come up with a decent methodology to independently estimate Russian losses, then I’m sure some discussion can be had around that.
Don’t expect the opposition to do the work for you.