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It is evident from the current top-level comments that more education is needed.
To be fair, these kinds of posts normally don’t attract people agreeing with the post to write about why they agree, but people disagreeing and then people countering. This is a very repeatable experience.
Vanguardist?
Cringe
Unlike all the communist revolutions which succeeded without vanguard party? The grand total of zero of those suggest that not having vanguard party is way worse than just cringe.
This is like defending early flying machines with flapping wings.
All revolutions will have an advanced, middle, and backwards selection of the population. Whether this advanced section is formalized into a party and thus democratized and organized, or left to form naturally, opaquely, and without accountability, the advanced segment will exist regardless. We can see throughout history that it is far more effective to formalize this segment to make it accountable than to let power structures form based on friendships and cliques.
I recommend reading The Tyranny of Structurelessness. The Vanguard model has consistently been proven to be the most effective means to wage revolution.
This is severely moronic.
In what way?
Communist revolutions were always done by uneducated peasants
The peasantry historically plays a significant role, but the Proletariat typically is the most organized, and the Vanguard party is usually quite educated and linked to the masses. The Vanguard the spearhead, the people the mass behind it, only supporting the Vanguard as long as they trust and remain integrated and connected to it.
The fact that the peasantry plays a major part in its own liberation is in no way a bad thing.
And after their revolutions their literacy rate rose pretty well.
Those peasants may have been uneducted, but they were smart.
So?
Again, the support of the women in the russian revolution is simply ignored to simp for some sacred vanguard.
It’s in all the 5 of the ingredients, unless you think there were no women anywhere there.
Women such as Alexandra Kollontai played key roles in the Bolshevik Party, ie the Vanguard.
The only communist revolution I see where most of this elements were undoubtedly true is the Spanish one. Unfortunately, it was betrayed by the stalinists.
Most to all of these elements were in place in every major Communist revolution, from Russia to China to Cuba to Korea to Vietnam to Laos. The Spanish Anarchists only recieved aid from the USSR, when sectarian fighting broke out among the Spanish Revolutionaries, the Soviets backed the Marxist sections, it wasn’t a betrayal.
The class conscientiousness where not that high in Russia. And the vanguard party (the bolchevik) were severely weakened before the revolution. I don’t for others countries, but if “helping” consist in “stealing all the gold reserves, force self organized milicia to obey to officer coming from nowhere, and even attacking and killing selforganized workers”, yeah they definitely help.
For information, their where not once mass organization on those vanguard and hierarchical line before the intervention of the USSR. Using materialism dialectic would have make USSR to back the revolutionary force, not trying to lead them at all costs.
Class Consciousness was indeed high in Russia prior to the revolution. The Tsar was increasingly unpopular, as was the Provisional Government. Workers were already organizing into Soviets before the revolution, indicating a high level of importance on labor organization. The Bolsheviks prevailed because they were correct, and thus earned the support of the Working Class.
Further, the Soviets were not trying to lead the Spanish Civil War. The fact that groups sympathetic to the Soviets emerged isn’t a sign of the Soviet Union forcing the Spanish to adopt their line, but a natural element of leftist organizing, there are going to be Marxists and those sympathetic to Marxist states. The Soviet Union above all wanted to fight off the Spanish fascists, which is why they got involved in the first place, not a grand scheme to sabotage the Anarchists.
