I know we differ somewhat in philosophy, but by and large, I think we’re pretty much on the same team. Personally, almost all my cooking is vegan anyway, and I love reading your recipes.
Feel free to take this down if you don’t though, no hard feelings.
Thus far all our posts have been about beans, my friend… And for my own part I plan to continue talking about beans for quite some time. We’re far more alike than different.
Except you choose to hurt animals and we choose not to
Actually, as I’ve said like four times in this thread, including in the original post, I am essentially a vegan cook. I just don’t ascribe to vegan philosophy. That’s why my posts in my community have been primarily about things like using chickpea water as egg substitutes, and making crispy beans, and why I’m inviting vegans to share recipes. It’s not like I’ve hidden this detail either.
You’re kind of demonstrating one of the reasons I don’t ascribe to veganism here.
Yeah, you keep hedging with “almost” and “essentially”. Veganism is about animal liberation. I’m not gonna praise speciesists, especially ones who reinforce the terrible and destructive stigma the world has against vegans who actually give a shit about animal lives and ending their exploitation.
I wouldn’t praise a person who “almost” or “essentially” no longer beats their wife, because any amount of violent misogyny is unconscionable. This is no different.
Edit: you literally condone hurting animals through rape, exploitation, and murder, fucking liar. You don’t give a shit about their liberation. We are not on the same side
I hedge because I don’t share your philosophy, so it wouldn’t be accurate to claim I was entirely vegan. I’m less rigorous about checking labels or avoiding cross contamination with non vegan members of my household, mainly. I’m plant-based, not a vegan, but you could eat any recipes I plan to share on my recipe community… I just don’t want to talk philosophy with you, and you’re showing off why that’s the case very well.
Can we not just trade recipes? Why do you feel the need to accuse me of animal abuse for not wanting to adopt the label that you’re making look so appealing with your honeyed words?
Edit: I should not have phrased that last paragraph as a question. Please do not feel obligated to respond. I genuinely don’t care what you think.
Veganism isn’t a diet. You openly support and protect animal abuse in your comm.
It’s silly to act like I’m baselessly accusing you. You know that milk comes from raping cows, stealing and slaughtering their babies so the babies can’t drink the milk, then slaughtering the mother at a fraction of her life when she’s no longer productive. You know this because I showed you. And yet, you discourage people from talking about this by tarring those who care as mean and unreasonable. Well, I think it’s mean and unreasonable to enslave, rape, and murder other oppressed people on the basis of their species and ability.
If you don’t know, chickens are bred to grow unnaturally fast, so much so that they often break their legs under their own weight. They’re bred to lay a damaging and painful amount of eggs. Laying hens are separated from male chicks and the male chicks are all murdered in horrendous ways, such as maceration (put in a grinder), or thrown into plastic bags and suffocated under the weight of thousands of other tiny, helpless newborn chicks. Now you know, if you didn’t before. You can look it up and see for yourself. You can choose not to pay for this. You can choose not to make a space that protects people who choose to harm countless sentient beings in this way. You can fill your comm with this information and save lives. You can stop scolding people who speak up on behalf of the trillions of animals caught up in our violent, oppressive carnist system, and start speaking up for the silenced as well.
But that would require you actually caring about non-human animals
Looking at the downvotes on this I don’t think we should be so hasty to dismiss this olive branch. Let’s try and give this fediverse a fresh start and leave all the negativity behind.
I’m pretty sure all us vegans agree that vegitarianism is somewhat of a halfway point and we’d really like it if they came fully to our side. We’re not going to get that done by rejecting and berating them, not that I’ve seen that happen yet.
I think cross-posting vegan recipes in a vegitarians sub is a great opportunity to show that vegan food can be just as tasty and I hope that will encourage more of them to come over to our side.
Just my two cents, take care everyone.
I actually don’t agree that vegetarians are halfway to our side when they know that milk and eggs and such greviously harm animals but chose to harm anyway. Especially when they go out of their way to scold and silence activists. Like OP, whose response to Dairy is Scary was to scold me, instead of feeling horror at the terrible suffering they cause to cows. Their comm also prohibits “proselytizing” as if veganism is a baseless religious movement and not a political struggle for animal liberation.
The only vegetarians who are halfway there are those who are naive and once they learn about the harm animals endure to get those products, they go vegan. I used to be vegetarian, and I was horrified when I learned other vegetarians were literally keeping information from me. It’s fucked up to support that. It certainly doesn’t help animals
You are attacking him and driving him away just as I asked you not to. I agree with you. I’m a vegan. I don’t like it that vegitarians turn a blind eye to suffering. But this bombardment of moral superiority DOES NOT WORK. It trips a part in the brain that makes people get defensive and shut down. It drives them away and gives us a bad image.
I suppose you have to take a step back and think about what you want. Do you want to win an argument and be right? Or would you rather have a chance at bringing more people over to veganism? I personally want the latter.
Actually, they’ve been attacking me and vegans who care about animal liberation, but that’s invisible to you. I haven’t been attacking anyone, just accurately describing that they’re harming others and politely asking them to choose not to harm others. You don’t care bc you sympathize with the oppressor
Edit: the only way to be “nice” to a carnist is to appease them and say what they’re doing is fine, which it isn’t, that animals don’t matter enough to hurry up and stop killing them now, which they definitely do. The only way to be “nice” to carnists is to side with people doing harm, minimizing that harm, and saying vegans who aren’t okay with animal murder are mean jerks, which we aren’t. That’s what all the pick-me’s are doing here, blowing hot air about how mean it is to be against literal actually rape and murder of the most oppressed class. I get this lecture every single time. It doesn’t matter how nice I am, doesn’t matter how I say it. Any pushback against the oppressive status quo is going to result in a lecture, bc ppl find it inherently mean to ask ppl to stop harming others if that harm is normalized.
You should have learned from Bill Cosby that respectability politics don’t work. But you’re not interested in solidarity or activism that works. You just don’t wanna be stigmatized and pilloried as one of “those” vegans, you know, that ones that actually disrupt a harmful status quo, the ones that get lectured by cowards for not appeasing human supremacy, the ones who are always sorry and quiet for the terrible crime of how not hurting others challenges those who do.
Actually, they’ve been attacking me and vegans who care about animal liberation, but that’s invisible to you.
Please quote where in this thread he attacks you. I’ve read it and it’s not there. You are the one that is coming off as opinionated. He’s been nothing but polite.
I haven’t been attacking anyone, just accurately describing that they’re harming others and politely asking them to choose not to harm others.
You’ve been nothing but accusational. If this is what you think polite discourse is then I don’t know what to say.
You don’t care bc you sympathize with the oppressor
You got me. Did you know I have friends who aren’t vegan? I talk about it whenever they’re open to listening and I try to promote my morality in a positive way. I did consider the alternative of yelling at all of them and never leaving my house, but I decided against it.
Newsflash, Bill Cosby, defending rape and murder isn’t polite. Yes, I’m a vegan in the vegan comm, and I’m not afraid to have the opinion that hurting animals is wrong and animal fascists shouldn’t come here without at least being asked to stop harming animals.
Hilarious that you came here to lecture me bc to you the real problem isn’t hurting animals, it’s linking Dairy is Scary and then asking someone to stop supporting and defending the things in that video. In your mind, that makes me the problematic one.
I don’t take advice from animal fash, and I certainly don’t take advice from Bill Cosby
I was incredibly confused as to why we were talking about Bill Cosby now until I saw you edited your post. You’ve haven’t provided an example of his attack and doubled down on your position. I didn’t come here to lecture you or argue and that is what this is turning into, so this will be my last comment on the matter.
Take care
Thanks. I think it’s worth noting that so far there isn’t a single recipe in there that isn’t vegan. For me the difference is philosophy, not really practice.
This is a lie. Vegans don’t practice animal abuse. You’ve created a comm where products that come from animal abuse are specially protected and where teaching people that these products come from animal abuse isn’t allowed. The difference in our practice is stark.
Where is the community? I would gladly join a vegetarian sub because the vegans on this sub are already being cringe.
Animal abuse is far more cringe
I’m vegan but people like you are losers. Animals must live but I must make everyone around me hate me.
I wouldn’t put it quite as harshly… But I also don’t understand the attitude at all. This fella is demonstrating one of many reasons I don’t call myself vegan.
I know most vegans aren’t like that though, or I wouldn’t have reached out. Folks, I just want to talk about chickpeas. I really think they’re neat. All the downvotes and hostility won’t change that. They’re still gonna be neat.
I don’t mean to be any more harsh than they are. There is a reason the average person has a negative connotation towards the term vegan and that person shows it.
I will try to access your community when it federates (?).
Is it harsh to tell a man who beats his wife that his wife gets hurt when he beats her and he ought to stop? Is it mean? Tell me the gymnastics you have to go through to think it’s mean to tell somehow who is knowingly harming others that it’s not okay and unacceptable
Edit: The reason speciesists hate vegans is the same reason that misogynists hate feminists. It makes sense that oppressors hate those who speak up on behalf of those they oppress, but it’s not right, and it’s weird that you think it is
Well, you’ve done it. So much for my fresh start idea.
I agree with literally everything you’ve said but the way you’re saying it is insufferable. I understand you feel passionately about the cause, we all do. But lashing out and lecturing people who are trying to talk to us in good faith will not get them in our side.
I implore you to think about if what you’re about to post is constructive or argumentative before you post it.
“insufferable” “lashing out” lmao
My tone is fine. You’re reading shit into it that isn’t there because anything that challenges the status quo makes you uncomfy.
It isn’t nice to tell carnists to stop harming others, I get it
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It’s most likely federated, but there is some weird caching thing where if nobody from your instance has ever looked up a particular community on another instance, you can’t see it right away.
You should be able to at least view it through a permalink like this:
You think it’s okay to rape cows and macerate chicks. You know these things happen in the industry because I showed you, but you don’t care. Your comm explicitly prohibits talking about where eggs and milk come from, because you know their province isn’t nice, but you don’t care. It’s not mean to point this out. What’s mean is hurting animals, a thing you knowingly choose to do and could choose not to do. You can stop hurting animals, so why don’t you?
I don’t take criticism from fascists
It’s c/vegetarian@sh.itjust.works, I tried to link it above but jerboa hates those kind of links right now so I can’t test it out.
For some reason I can’t find it. I wonder if a plantbased sub would be better to include both vegetarian and vegan without the toxicity?
Plant based food is a diet, veganism is a political movement for animal liberation. Oppressing others is toxic. Scolding ppl who advocate to end oppression is toxic. Fighting for the liberation of the oppressed isn’t toxic. Hope this helps
You’re the one being toxic. Plant based is a way to escape cringe vegans like you.
lmao its soooooo cringe to be passionate about animal liberation
its way cooler to enable people who think they are helping animals but in fact are not
I am passionate about it but I don’t attack other people. Thank you for giving me another cringey person to block.
happy to help :)
I don’t know, but I’d sub to a plant based community, anyway.
I suspect because it’s a small community still, your instance hasn’t cached it yet. Now that you’ve searched it, it should show up soon
