You can block the comments but you cannot silence our voices.
It’s troubling “mean arab terrorist” had such experiences here. I would ask if this was on Lemmy or Lemmygrad?
“I have seen people refer to Chador and Hijab as “wearing trashbags””
This is insanely racist. This should not be tolerated.
“the Islamic Republic of Iran is “enslaving women””
We all have liberal tendencies here that we are in the process of purging however this western feminism should have been called out.
“I have seen people refer to Islam as “a painkiller” and that communists should “free [Muslims] from irrational immaterial thought” and make accusations that all Muslims engage in FGC”
I am unfamiliar with the term ‘FGC’, however the opiate of the masses critique is based. This is a long standing Marxist stance on religion. This should be allowed here.
“I was banned from the Palestine community for “being mean” to an israeli colonizer after I told them to expeditiously get out of Palestine.”
Blaming the individual is radlib however in the Israeli case I would tell them to join Palestine instead of trying to paint them as the entire country of Israel.
“I have had my comments censored and removed when discussing the liberation of Palestine From the River to the Sea and citing the revolutionary leaders from the resistance. The reasoning for censorship repeated the zionist entity language: “advocating terrorism”"
Not ok. We are against imperialist powers and projects.
“Throughout all of this I see invaders who live in the settler-colonies are defended as “comrades like everyone else”. Even though they are repeating toxic discourse about how such and such liberation movement “shouldn’t alienate the [colonizer] ‘workers’.””
It seems that this latest topic in it’s turbulent controversy was the last straw for you and I find it regretful that it has gotten this far considering 90% of what you experienced you shouldn’t have.
Take care and I wish you the best.
Obviously this is extreme and hateful rhetoric, but isn’t there a kernel of truth to the idea that settlers need to be driven off of stolen land for decolonization to succeed? If violent resistance is off the table, what exactly does that leave us with?
They absolutely should be forced to leave if that’s what the Palestinians collectively want. Violent resistance (including killing or otherwise incapacitating occupiers who resist) is completely necessary and Muad’Dibber didn’t say that it isn’t. The issue is the last two sentences – stating that every single settler deserves to be killed, regardless of what they’ve actually done besides being born in a settler colony – as well as the subsequent comment where she seemed to advocate killing children because they could grow up to be Zionists like their parents. Violent resistance is unavoidable, but systematically killing those who are willing to leave without fighting back isn’t
I actually agreed with NP to some extent. In a context of occupation such as Palestine, hitting civilians and civilian targets is allowed (targetting is a bit different IIRC). This is even backed up by the UN’s Occupation law (IF I’m not mistaken, it’s been a while).
Israel is also in such a position that it’s not so old people don’t remember where they lived before they emigrated there. It’s a bit more complicated for the US, but to this day people emigrate to Israel, get citizenship, and then hold dual citizenship. Thus under international law, their home country cannot prevent them from re-entering. Their naturalisation laws are actually some of the easiest in the world, exactly because they want to legitimise their project.
And finally, it’s difficult to tell Palestinians they should have the moral high ground when 100 Palestinians have been killed so far this year, including 17 minors.
Palestine is also obviously allowed to engage and start military actions on their own occupied territory, which is a right and territory recognized by the UN. And I’ll even throw in an extra: it’s even true that I don’t really care if some settler gets killed. As for israeli children, it almost never happens that they die due to military operations. If one did, believe me, you wouldn’t hear the end of it. Not like israel that actively targets Palestinian children.
However, when NP and I differed was that there is no reason to “eliminate between 10 to 30% of the settlers”. There is also no reason tourists are a legitimate target (a target, sure, but legitimate, i.e. allowed to strike them?). Finally, there is no reason the “leftists” (emphasis theirs) would be especially legitimate targets too.
None that they could provide, at least. And not for lack of asking.
Regarding tourists and locals: living on this land, there’s no reason you don’t know rockets are eventually going to fly down on you. If you persist in living there despite the risk, then you can’t really complain when it happens. The reason people go to live in Israel is because they want their free stolen house, and the risk of a rocket killing them doesn’t sufficiently deter them from that sweet loot.
And I’ll throw one more extra: I don’t believe it’s possible to live in the occupied parts of Palestine and be innocent. On some level you will benefit from the occupation, if you are white. Like was said in the thread in the Palestine community, you can always decide to leave the country. The whole mess that is israel was actually forcing Jews to become citizens in the 60s and 70s and now that they look more legitimate and have their own population of sorts, they’re sterilising and booting out their non-white Jewish population.
Regarding communists living in Israel, NP would have had an opportunity for dialogue that could have enriched all of us. I remember the israeli communist youth (and believe me I hate it every time I have to type the word “israel”) inviting my party to visit them, and we all looked at each other and understood we’d rather go visit Palestine. Still, I’d be interested in knowing more about them and their positions.
So to circle back around to your question;
Yes, but this also has to take into account Palestine’s own context. I mentioned that the occupation is recent enough that people could easily be sent back to their home country. But it’s likely some of them will stay or be allowed to stay if they might have useful skills.
Hamas, for one, says they would be open to a two-state solution since 2019 (Abby Martin quoting their programme). I don’t see it, but from there we can easily infer that if Israel ceased to exist and Palestine came back, many people would be allowed. Yes, they present a risk because they’re still settlers vying for the good old life they had, but we have to be pragmatic about this. The USSR had to bring back imperial generals for the Red Army too. It’s not a 100% support thing, it’s about who is able to seize the state and impose their authority on the country.