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      Me neither. I was convinced this mad times are finally over with harris and that we could have convinced her to stop supporting genocide-Bibi.

      Now we have this fucking dictator loving orange clown, again. FFS how can people vote for this motherfucker after those 4(or even 8) years of nightmares (Biden did not manage to undo all the horrible stuff trump has done)

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        Biden did not manage to undo all the horrible stuff trump has done

        He expanded upon them

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          I would not say that personally, but I respect your opinion.

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            Biden literally expanded the border control/immigration policies that Trump set. Factually and literally, he did expand on them.

            Liberals need to fuck off with the “well, actually no in my opinion” when it comes to debating literal facts. This is facts. Biden expanded multiple things created under Trump and even gave himself unlimited power knowing that Trump was likely running against Kamala.

            Can you actually put up a debate or reasoning behind your thoughts? Or do you usually just go “NUH UH!”

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        we could have convinced her to stop supporting genocide-Bibi.

        That was never going to happen, she was adamant about her support for Israel even when it was obviously detrimental to her.

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          Well, she is not the only person to decide, and there are more democrats in favour to stopping the genocide than there are republicans with own opinions.

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              Well, democrats hate a demented president and I believe the power in the senate (where decisions about policies are made) were republican. Additionally, only because the democrats do a bad job, it doesn’t mean that republicans can’t do it even worse.

              Trump has stated that he thinks genocide-Bibi is doing “a good job”. I hope that says it all, isn’t it?

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                Obama had a democratic supermajority during his presidency and refused to enact/codify roe v wade and multiple other major decisions for working class citizen…like accepting a shitty republican healthcare program he didn’t have to. The excuse of “republicans are stopping us!” is complete horseshit.

                Democrats aren’t hindered by republicans. Senate always has trouble agreeing on things unless it’s military aid for bombing brown people or cutting funding to programs.

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              What are your sources about that? And I was not talking about majority vs minority, but count of not-zionist-democrats vs count not-zionist-republicans

              So in other words, I bet, the brave people that demonstrated for 🇵🇸 in America are more likely vote democratic than republican

              And, of course, a dual-poly government (like only two strong parties) is nearly as bad as only one party government, so it is reasonable that US people always have to decide between bad or worse.

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          Yes, I agree with you, my friend. Also, Hartz is not ideal. But we were hoping that there would be American pressure on it to stop the genocide, unlike Trump, he doesn’t care about anyone, he’s crazy

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          Yea, but we would had have a chance talking reasonable with her, since she is thinking more or less rational unlike some other orange idiot.

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            Her “I’m speaking!!” to Palestinian protestors is proof of that alone. Her constant support and funding from AIPAC is another as well.

            What fantasy world do you think genocide Kamala would stop supporting Israel or start supporting Gaza?

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            Sorry, I come across as bitter and cynical, maybe you’re right, maybe things would change. I just don’t have much hope left anymore, and I wasn’t particularly impressed by her run for the presidency, and her tendency to deflect important questions.

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        We can’t depend on Democrats to stop Trump, this is now incredibly well proven. We have 4 years to figure out something else.

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        I was also wondering how these people agreed to him in the elections. This world has become full of lunatics. Even Haaretz and Trump are two sides of the same coin. He will say continue the war and Haaretz will say stop the war while continuing the genocide.

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          There is never the choice between good and bad, but Harris had more good than trump, which in my opinion has none good other than chaos which may lead collapse to new societies which may or may not be better…

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            What exactly? Trump said mean things? What about Kamala is good/better?

            Both wanted fracking/oil drilling Both didn’t care about trans people (Kamala: we have to follow the law) Kamala actively put marginalized people from her community into jail on marijuana charges while Trump bankrupted a few casinos. Both want hostile relations with China.

            If anything, Kamala/Joe ramped up two wars. Trump actually wants to end Ukraine. (we’ll see)

            So how exactly is either one worse? Orange man say bad thing?

            Edit: You know what, I could give you “character”. Sure. Creepy orange guy. Then again, the democrats ran Biden…so.