• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      2 days ago

      Especially when so many people were telling me how I’m a cooky conspiracy theorist for believing it.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        2 days ago

        There’s definitely that too, but here I think it’s more about the value judgement. “Ukraine should have negotiated a surrender at the start from a position of relative strength? What, are you a Putinist? Do you want every Ukrainian to DIE?” goes to “Yeah, maybe fighting to the last Ukrainian in a war we never could have won wasn’t the best thing from a humanitarian standpoint.”

    • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      12 hours ago

      You know who gave several warnings about what would happen if NATO encroachment continued and included Ukraine? You know who signed two treaties that were ignored by Ukraine? You know who tried to negotiate for peace several times as well as open negotiations before initiating the SMO in response to several breaches of treaties as well as continued agressive posturing from Ukraine and NATO, which was also in direct disregard of several agreements and treaties?
      Putin.

      Inb4 you edit your comment to complain about russian bots/shills or something. We are neither. Putin is a capitalist bigoted fuck who deserves to die in a well, but that doesn’t mean we should suddenly reinvent reality. When you resort to calling people bots/shills/triggered smuglord you are in fact committing an Ad Hominem (which is so often misused). Wether or not I am a sentient machine intelligence or not changes nothing about the facts of the matter, which you refuse to engage with.

    • kittin [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      22 hours ago

      You know who actually tried to make peace?

      The only real demand was to not join nato and to let the ethnic Russian majority in the east use Russian at school.

      Was Boris Johnson right when he convinced Zelensky that was worth going to war over?

      It was a bad choice to let the hard right steer the ship.

      • blarth@thelemmy.club
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        21 hours ago

        Is Ukraine part of NATO? No.

        Is a language spoken at school worth the horrors of war?

        You people on hexbear are so twisted, all I can do is drop nuggets of sanity for anyone who isn’t a propagandist that stumbles upon these posts.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      1 day ago

      And he tried to do that for eight years with Minsk agreements that top western officials have now admitted were just meant to buy time to arm Ukraine. Go troll somewhere else you clueless dumb fuck.