Link to his tweet

You know, my plan when Bernie eventually dies, was to not exactly celebrate; but more to reflect that, yeah even though he ended up being a liberal Zionist piece of shit I respect the fact that he started something that got many of us on the pipeline.

But fuck that, now I will be doing crab dances when he dies and piss on his grave.

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      i hate how true this is and how much of a fucking idiot i was to ever believe in Bernie

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    We need to stop crediting Bernie with making people socialist. It’s great man theory and it’s anti-materialist bs. Bernie did not invent socialism. He was just the guy who capitalised on a lot of people feeling dissolutioned and turning toward left-wing ideas. Many of us would have found our way to the left without Bernie. If it wasn’t him it would have been one of the numerous “left tubers” cropping up around the same time, or the actual left parties trying to assert a presence or some other SocDem grifter trying to convince people that the liberal party is the path to socialism.

    In reality, the “Bernie moment” has been a road block for far more people than a pipeline. He claimed what he was selling was socialism and people fell for it and now everyone’s dissolutioned, waiting for the next Bernie or else still trying to work within the party that screwed him. He got a lot of people who could have been genuinely radicalised in a period of economic turmoil to hitch their wagon to the “progressive wing” of the DNC and they’re not letting go.

    Bernie killed leftist momentum in the US. He didn’t ignite it. It began with Occupy and it was derailed by his bullshit grifting. Guy should have just run as DSA or independent ffs. He’s right-wing for a SocDem ffs.

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    Probably low on the list to dunk on things here but the 1200 “innocents” figure always irks me. 300-400 were soldiers! Literally the least innocent thing you can be from a warfare standpoint

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      It’s a fundamental issue, Bernie showing his ass on it either means he considers Israelis ontologically innocent, or he is deeply lazy and dishonest figure who abandons any gesture towards integrity to instead appeal to American fascism.

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      yeah, and also I notice when talking about the kibbutzim that were hit, there is

      1. a pretty dark and arbitrary conflation that “these were secular peace activists some of those people would drive Gazans to get healthcare” as if the same Gazans who got hospital rides were the same fighters who raided the kibbutzim, and also
      2. that kibbutzim are treated like small rural collective farm communities with no strategic significance for an anti-occupation struggle, which even erasing the historical occupation context, that kibbutzim were settler-colonial projects backed by armed militias (which you shouldn’t do); many kibbutzim are also often very very wealthy and even have big industrial manufacturing and high technology enterprises and large-scale privatized industrial agriculture. I think something like 40% of Israeli polity’s agricultural food produce come from kibbutzim and nearly 10% of industrial output in general. And one of the kibbuttzim that was raided is the wealthiest kibbutz in the entire territory of Israel polity (I forget which one by name when I was reading up on it).

      When looked at from this point of view, as an asymmetrical anti-colonial struggle compared to any other in history, this is aspect of the raid is all pretty banal and straightforward.

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      not just that but how many were killed by the idf themselves. got 19 year olds shooting any moving car no fucking idea who’s inside. hamas’s mission was so obviously to capture as many hostages alive as possible.

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        BERNIE AND ME by Michael Parenti

        People have asked me what I think of the Bernie Sanders campaign. Bernie and I used to be close political friends up in Vermont in the early 1970s. We ran together on a third party ticket (the Liberty Union Party). I ran for the U.S. House of Representatives and Bernie ran for the U.S. Senate. (I got 7% of the vote; he got 3 or 4%–but who’s counting.)

        Bernie stayed in Vermont. I wanted to write rather than run for office in one-sided campaigns. So I spent the years writing books, articles, teaching courses, giving interviews, doing guest lectures all over the country, and marching in demonstrations. But I remained good friends with Bernie. I gave him moral and monetary support in his successful campaigns for Mayor of Burlington, then U.S. House of Representatives.

        But I eventually broke with him because of his position on the Yugoslavia war, the “humanitarian war” as Bill Clinton and his national security state people called it. As did many liberals and some Trotskyites and anarchists, Bernie stood shoulder to shoulder with NATO and the CIA and the Clinton White House in the destruction of Yugoslavia, the 78 days of bombing, drenching Serbia in depleted uranium, leaving Serbia with the highest cancer rate in Europe and breaking up Yugoslavia, one of the best social democracies in Europe, though not without its serious blemishes.

        Today, I wish Bernie the best. He is a Democrat although he calls himself a socialist and an independent. But he takes very good stands on Social Security, human services, and curbing the banksters. However, he has voiced not a word about what his foreign policy might be. I suspect it has not improved. I will most likely not be voting for him. Probably I will support some third-party candidate who will run a hard hopeless campaign—of the kind we used to do in Vermont years ago. ----MICHAEL PARENTI

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    IDK tbf Bernie didn’t really go in on Sinwar. OK he said he’s dead that’s true.

    He does call them “1200 innocent people” ok that’s just false if they’re an occupying military. But also he doesn’t say Sinwar killed them. If ever a time for the passive “died” was called for it would be have been then, considering it seems like most non-military deaths were probably from the IDF themselves. We’ll never know exact numbers. Thankfully doesn’t blame the palestinian deaths on him which is peak lib genocide apologia. At least he’s trying to use it to end the war but naively thinks shit like this will work. Zionists don’t want an offramp bernie they are true believers. this is what zionism is.

    History will show Sinwar was a hero. And history will show Bernie had a good heart but was a coward who should’ve broken with the Democratic Party but didn’t have the guts, and always was wrong and had a blind spot about Israel and foreign policy in general.

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      I’m sorry but this is just wishful thinking and active whitewashing, sure he doesn’t say Sinwar individually killed 1,200 “innocents”, but he says Sinwar masterminded the attack that killed 1,200 “innocents.”

      The only way history will show that Bernie had a good heart is if someone donates him a new one, where is the good heart in calling IOF soldiers innocents? He is treating Israelis as ontologically innocent.

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      Imagine a German in the riechstag who argued “hey we exterminated enough Untermensch now that we killed Kirponos (or if they had killed Medvedev) and avenged all those innocent christan babies the Jews sacrifice and all the people they betrayed in WW1. The Soviets, who are singularly responsible for us losing WW1, are now killed and we are no longer defending ourselves if we keep killing these people who our murder of was totally in response to their evil actions” being remembered as a good hearted person who was a coward and had a blind spot?

      Nah fuck him. Hell imagine a self-proclaimed socialist during the Vietnam war celebrating Ho Chi Minh’s death and saying “look the evil man who attacked the innocent south is dead, all of that justified napalm is now not ok”. It is depraved. This is a Holocaust, and that cannot ever be a “blind-spot”, that is just being a fascist genocidaire.

      He doesn’t need to make a statement, but he is because he thinks this will convince people to vote Harris, that there is some slowdown to the genocide that will happen. This merely obfuscates and gives cover for extermination. Bernie is actively involved in this slaughter and in laundering it to us. This is who he is and what he believes, he fundamentally does not see Palestinians are equally valuable

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    “There is now no justification”

    “There is now no justification”

    “There is now no justification”

    There never was any justification for the genocide you fucking chauvinist western imperialist. Fuck you Bernie.

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    You automatically win the war if you kill the enemy king.

    A leader is a king; people need to be ruled, it’s human nature. Nothing works unless there’s 1 person in command of literally everything.

    Everybody knows this, it’s all common knowledge.