Having seen lots of youtube scenario videos, I keep finding them being a bit… unrealistic in terms of what’s going to happen and why.

The most agreeable scenario I’ve found of which the picture is from is taken from http://thinkingwayoutsidethebox.org/?page_id=92 and has been my initial thinking of how the secession in the civil war will play out. Two blocks of blue states and one block of red states.

The three immediate major factors of the Second American Civil war are going to be rapidly. First rising debt, second rising income inequality and third and most importantly, these two issues causes a rift in it’s two-party system.

Short explanation of how this came to be: The major income inequality is due to the fall of the USSR and the lack of fear of a socialist revolution in the US causing unrest, unlike in the 1930s, where the US decided to start social democratic reforms. The debt is caused by no longer having the virtually infinite amount of cheap energy resources it used to have.

Shale oil is expensive to produce and it’s massive production and any use in manufacturing, transport or otherwise is taking a toll on it’s entire economy. Solar and wind power are becoming cheaper than coal. Where coal is a fossil fuel that’s very unevenly distributed in favor of the US, solar and wind are very evenly distributed over the entire planet.

1a) The first problem is that the democratic party has no strong left wing circle. It keeps veering off too far right socially as it keeps taking donations and is corrupt to the core. It seems to not want to go left-wing at all, but in the first place pro-feminist and in second place pro-Afro American instead.
It is concerned about the elites of those two groups and keeping out the socialists.
This is not going to sit well with those who are getting poorer and poorer from it.
This will cause a rift in the party itself.

1b) The republican party on the other hand has the issue of not getting any chances to win elections through majority vote at all. Trump won partly as even some socialists voted for him out of spite against the feminist ruling circle, just because they felt betrayed by their own party.
It’s also why Trump wasn’t getting their vote the second time as the democratic tactic this time around was not to insult it’s voters, but use mass social media censorship. This didn’t anger the left-wing voters as much as it did the far and extreme right.
If the republican party sees itself losing time and time again, but it’s voter base doesn’t want to go left, it will have to take desperate measures in order to retain it’s power. And that’s what my Civil War scenario is going to be about.

– 2024: Centre-right victory –

The first thing that will happen is that the most left-wing candidate of the US democrats will get the vote in the US in 2024. Let’s say Alexandria Ocasio Cortez whose policies will look like a centre-right European party, that is to say moderate liberal or maybe even social liberal. Despite the US going into economic turmoil with a democratic leader, people will this time vote more left, rather than go back republican as more people do not want to work for less than what they pay their rent for.

– 2025: Internal secession —

The blue states are being partitioned! Sick and tired of losing, Republicans from blue states secede in order to gain more voting clout. Starting with Liberty state from Washington State and then at two more in Oregon and California that quickly follow.

– 2026: Maple red revolution –

A color revolution has descended upon Canada and it’s color is red!

Despite it’s opponents arguing that the color should really be white a red revolution has gotten it’s grip on Canada, with Western Canada seceding from the Eastern coast as they battle over taxes from sands.

Meanwhile in the U.S. the Republican are still anxious about not having enough votes to turn the tide of the elections by 2028. With the internal secession ball rolling, the Republicans have devised up a plan to expand outward into Canada, starting a color revolution in order to get Canadian provinces to secede towards the US. These will be all states West from Ontario. Vancouver protests and secedes from British Colombia to join Washington state.

– 2027: Californian Secession –

West-Canada has joined the United States! Pacific strip forms New California! Unrest in Portland, Detroit, New Orleans and more!

Things get really out of hand. All the smaller states on the Pacific strip have decided to band together and form some sort of Union called New California, with Portland as the ‘capital sanctuary city’. Portland meanwhile wants to form an occupy zone again, but this time it’s not a couple of blocks but the entire city.

‘Defund the police’ has become ‘Deport the police’ as in out of Portland and this trend takes further root in New California, Detroit and New Orleans.

Despite AOC at the helm of the country, she is sending a small amount of troops to California and this time there’s violence with dozens of casaulties.
This leads to the whole Pacific strip deciding on a referendum to deport all Republican police forces from their new formed land and talks of full secession is at hand.

A few months later it happens. New California has fully seceded in order to deport the police! Republicans then call for a quick re-election without New California in their midst, as they now feel they can finally win elections and hyperinflation is still raging since 2022.

At the same time, there’s talk of an East Coast secession and Democratic cities in Red states are getting nervous, because they can’t secede as they would become islands.

– 2028: War begins –

The United States is at war with New California, New Orleans and Detroit!

The Republicans argue that the secessionists started it and vice versa.
A “coup” has been done by the Republicans and have succeeded in taking the White House. What happened is that the Republicans rushed to introduce a law to exclude New California from voting on the president entirely and is treated like Puerto Rico.

The issues named for taking such radical measures by the Republicans are:

  • AOC has betrayed the country by letting New California secede.
  • New California lifted some of the trade blockades with China.
  • New California’s northern border should not have included Vancouver.
  • New California seems to be getting an awful lot of goods from China.

The issues named by the Democrats for fully seceding are:

  • Barred from voting.
  • Increase in racist laws.
  • Increase in sexist laws.
  • Lack of trust in the new president.

After secession, the US immediately declares war on New California and Republicans are talking about a cake walk.

Having declared New California a Chinese outpost, the US attacks New California and at that moment a civil war starts in the rest of the states in the US.

– 2029-2040: Over a hundred million dead –

The war will be extremely bloody with no clear winner except China for a long long time. The civil war will also expand beyond the US/Canada to the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and many other nations around the world. China/Russia being an exception.


Revision 0.1 (2021-12-08)

  • Intro + 2024-2027

Revision 0.2 (2021-12-09)

  • Grammar error fixes and changes.
  • New Californian secession no longer is immediately external.
  • 2028-2040

Revision 0.3 (2021-12-09)

  • Republican military coup is now a “rush and bar” voting coup.
  • Free PalestineMA
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    22 years ago

    In my opinion, the only “realistic” civil war scenario in the US is one where the National Guard is deployed to major cities to put down mass protesting against racial injustice, income inequality, and government corruption.

    This would exacerbate the violence, and inspire the more radical members of the reform side to become more aggressive against state forces at protests. Which itself exacerbates the violence and inspires the rise of anti-reform militias to join the counter-protesters (they’d already be there, as they always are, but this would inspire them to “take justice into [their] own hands”). Which also just compounds upon the exacerbation of violence until you have frequent shootouts between reform rebels and anti-reform militias, paired with mass actions from reform rebels against the National Guard.

    That would naturally cause a full-scale deployment of the National Guard to protect key strategic locations and “restore order” in urban areas. This would, as it has in history (such as the partisans of WWII), be the causation for a protracted people’s partisan war against the occupying anti-reform National Guard detachments. Meanwhile the whole of the status quo’s mouthpieces, regardless of where they sit in the US’s two-headed one-party system, will oppose the reform forces on the grounds of them being “too violent”.

    The civil war would be almost entirely contained within blobs that spread out from major cities and key strategic locations. With little to no fighting exterior to those blobs. It will not be state against state as it was in the first civil war, but rather a purely ideology against ideology fight that’s completely divorced from the US political system’s made up bipartisanship. It will be urbanized youth against rural forty-year-old conservatives. It will be anti-fascists against fascists. It will be state actors against the people of the United States.

    Note: I’m using “reform” in a broad form. In this instance, “reform” is to mean a change to the status quo under any means. I don’t mean the common use of it within communist circles.

    • @folahtOPM
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      32 years ago

      In my opinion, the only “realistic” civil war scenario in the US is one where the National Guard is deployed to major cities to put down mass protesting against racial injustice, income inequality, and government corruption.

      That’s part of what I imagine happening. Repeat of the George Floyd protests,
      but ‘defund the police’ becomes ‘deport the police’.
      And the National Guard decides to become more violent.

      I do expect it to all first happen in the Pacific strip though.