• norimee@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    I find these headlines all misleading.

    Germany discusses for weeks now the next year’s federal budget and the ruling parties are at odds about spending and accumulation of new debts. And they agreed now, that future Ukraine aid will not come out of the federal budget.

    All already approved aid to Ukraine will still be delivered. Nothing is “halted”.

    All new aid, to be approved for the next fiscal year will not come from the federal budget but will be financed with seized Russian assets.

    So, Germany doesn’t stop Ukraine aid at all. They just have to finance it differently in the next year.

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      1 month ago

      They are misleading and intentionally so. Either ‘just’ as rage bait or as a genuine attempt at spreading misinformation.

      There is a 4 billion budget for aid next year - which is of course excluding EU aid and aid financed via dividends of frozen russian assets.

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      There are only $4Bn worth of Russian assets in Germany. To date, Germany had been sending more than $10Bn per year.

      Further, once those Russian assets are gone, they’re gone. Without federal budget allocations, that’s it. That’s the end of Germany aid.

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    1 month ago

    This is related to the Nord pipeline, right? I remember an analyst telling that Ukraine’s win is dependant on Germany, and now that is most likely not going to happen. What’s funny is that Olaf does not have the guts to call out Norway and the USA, who were also very strongly involved in this, and instead has a warrant for the Ukrainians.

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      1 month ago

      Well, it coincides. There’s a possibility that this announcement is sending a message.

      On the surface, the decision was about national debt and budget, and has nothing to do with Ukraine except that there’s no infinite money glitch.

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      1 month ago

      Honestly I’m amazed it took this long for some blowback for blowing up infrastructure the very allies we’re begging to support our war depend on for heating.

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        1 month ago

        Or you could read the article and see that’s not even remotely the issue, and the title is as per usual misleading.

        Germany planned 8 billion eur financial support for Ukraine this year. That’s been used up. So, no more monetary (!) aid unless they find some spare change in the budget, which they won’t.

        And to preempt the next headline: Germany’s spending next year on Ukraine will be halved, yes… Because there’re plans for an international fund.

        Also while “Olaf” is the one naying further spending, he’s not doing so independently of the ruling coalition. He has little agency.

        Obligatory fuck Lindner and fuck the FDP.

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        1 month ago

        This is just a load of horseshit designed to give the west a way out of this failed war of America’s.

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      No. Read the article instead just spewing opinions and conspiracy theories.

      It’s about national debt and changing the financing of aid to Ukraine.

      Nothing is halted. Future aid will not be financed by the federal budget, but from proceeds of seized russian assets.

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        1 month ago

        Which is a FRACTION of what German aid was. Germany has spending around $10Bn in aid to Ukraine annually and there is only $4Bn worth of Russian assets in Germany. And not all assets have been seized. It’s also only generating, at most $1Bn in interest annually. So they can send the interest to Ukraine, or they can seize 100% of the principal and send that to Ukraine and then it’s over, because the assets will be gone. Either way, it’s tantamount to the end of Germany aid.

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      1 month ago

      Im reluctant to ask, but i feel obligated to do so. what in your mind is the difference in this scenario?

      I feel your reasoning will tell alot. Lets go.

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        1 month ago

        You don’t know the difference between weapons used for terrorist attacks on civilians and food and medical aid for civilians?

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          What about weapons not used for terrorist attacks?

          Also, sonething tells me a hoard of russian soldiers will not turn aroud by throwing bread at them.

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            Oh those Asiatic hordes! You’re so right. We have to do something about the hordes!

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            30 days ago

            In general I’m against giving weapons to a fascist dictatorship with an ultranationalism that’s rooted in fascist, Nazi ideology, for any purposes.

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        Ukraine government is just as much corrupted as the government of germany, france, italy or russia. Have you seen climate activists and protesters getting beaten over there? Sending billions on military aid to an authoritarian government that is trying to conscript everyone isn’t a good thing.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

        “As of 26 April 2024, the Polish government has offered, and the Lithuania governments is considering, repatriating Ukrainian men living in their countries to Ukraine. So that they can be drafted into the Ukrainian military. It is a “rough estimate” that some 300-400,000 men alone are living in Poland”

        This is part of how the polish government is aiding ukraine. Don’t you think it would be better to give these escaping the war aid and hospitality instead of handling them back to their government?