That is to say, you imply that you are “actual queer” and that I am not and thus have no place to speak about “actual queers.”

that is not at ALL what i was implying. the entirety of those lines were meant to be specifying how the US pinkwashing machine aren’t queer themselves but that they appropriate language from actual queer people to dismiss and harass other actual queer people. As in you are not outside of it, but the US is.

the actual thing i was trying to criticize with your comment is something you repeated here. there’s this implication that identifying as gay, trans, etc is inherently simply a “narrative” or something that wouldn’t exist without western brainwashing. This is technically true, but misses the fact that “coming out” is a concept that was created specifically because queer people are ostracized in hell country. It’s not a western narrative crafted to deceive the public, it’s a result of both being assigned an identity of being “other” and the purposeful internalization of that identity as part of our liberation (see the numerous other groups that do this in response to their oppression and see positive results)

I agree that forcefully and naively applying this across cultures is a very bad and often violent thing. I disagree that the queer struggle and community is invalid or somehow unreal within the context of the US culture. In fact both of those facts are because of the same reason, the queer struggle in the US was made because of US culture and therefore by definition doesn’t make sense elsewhere, as you said elsewhere in the thread in reference to the coalitions between sexual and gender identity minorities in the US.

purposeful queer imperialism

fuuuuuck offffff. it is not queers doing imperialism. it is the US pinkwashing their shitty practices to retroactively justify them and blackmail people overseas with their NGOs. nothing about it is queer. the “western queers” are not a boogeyman that you have to be afraid of. queer people are not bourgoisie decadence or a falsehood of the West. queer imperialism is a misnomer at best and outright incomprehensible at worst. maybe this is not what you meant by your comments but it’s just. so. fucking. infuriatingly invalidating feeling. like oh im sorry i grew up in a country where a queer identity has a direct material and ideological relevancy due to it’s effectiveness in building solidarity, guess i’ll just stop identifying as gay because it’s fake or something. fucking hell

you know the concept of epistemic injustice? thats the kind of shit that exists without these identities and terms in the US. obviously different terms have to be made in other countries due to having entirely different contexts but that implicitly also means those terms are effective and relevant INSIDE the U$

this whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. i absolutely refuse to not take pride in my identity just because some imperialist shitbag thinks it’s a convienient thing to lie out of their ass about supporting. these identities were made due to common communities seeking liberation and if that is ever lost in people’s memories than i think i’ll actually lose it

it’s just as much part of my identity as the inherited duty of revolutionary desire, because it is a factor of that. these people who existed and fought for these things and died for these things have passed down their issues to the people of my time and i refuse to erase them or treat them as historically irrelevant.

have you considered the ways neurodivergency interacts with these things and act of forming identities? do you even know how strongly i experience these things? i’m not assuming you don’t, you are a user of this website so there’s 90% chance your neurodivergent and feel the same things as me. but that’s why i feel so invalidated. it’s like you understand how i would feel about this but don’t care or don’t think it’s relevant. it hurts

seriously, fuck you for invalidating an entire fucking hereditary struggle that included more black and indigneous people than people ever give it credit for. it’s not a fucking settler ideology, queerness is not a settler ideology, being gay is not a settler ideology. it is not reproducing imperialism to identify as gay, purposefully or not. it is not accidental imperialism to identify as gay. go fuck yourself. if you’re correct about any of this than i don’t want to live in a world where it’s the case. i am a fucking transfemme nonbinary person and i take pride in that identity and i’m not reproducing any fucking settler ideology by saying that, because thousands of colonized people completely identify with that exact identity because of the thousands exactly like them who have died and fought for it against the white settler colonist shitfuck of America. fuck you. if you didn’t mean any of that than you should have chosen your fucking words better.

the fucking original US settlers didnt bring this shit over. it was made by all the fucking people who got fucked over by them later on. just because it exists in the context of US history doesn’t mean that it’s complicit with what the US entity believes and does. fuck you. i believed you were part of this discussion, inside of it, from the very fucking beginning, and i wasn’t even remotely as fucking angry as right now then. and i still think you’re inside of it, you have stake, you’ve done research. which is why im so fucking pissed. you should know better than to be a fucking nazbol social scab appealing to people by assuring them their little cishet socialist club doesn’t have to actually think about those silly uppity gays. your type is the exact one that made this site completely unusable over the long term for autistic people. FUCK YOU

this shit pisses me off SO FUCKING MUCH because there’s NO FUCKING REASON to drive ourselves into fucking insane loops of masturbatory logic that we use to invalidate entire fucking traditions of revolutionary thought, because we don’t need any of that FUCKING SHIT to condemn the already-termed blatantly existing POLITICAL MISUSE OF HOMOSEXUALITY for fucking COLONIALISM AND MURDER. many countries don’t have a great track record with queer rights but that doesn’t excuse fucking colonialism and especially doesn’t excuse supporting genocidal countries like the US. i don’t see any reason why we have to straight up invalidate so many fucking people when that by itself works and literally anyone with functioning empathy would agree with it readily

ok now thats all out of my system im going to cry now. sorry.

edit: i think i read your entire thing in extremely bad faith due to it being very late over here. not an excuse but fuuuuck i need to stop using social media like ever. im going to need to do some serious self crit. comment left up for responsibility/other’s discussion purposes