• sweng@programming.dev
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    I guess we have to disagree then. To me making an offer you know does not stand a chance is not basic diplomacy. Threatening to murder the person you “want” to negotiate with is also not basic diplomacy IMHO.

    But I guess I could try the Russian school of diplomacy the next time I want to ask for a raise. I’m not sure taking a shit in front of my boss’ office and loudly proclaim I will beat him until I get a 1000% raise will be a great way to start the negotiations, but you’ve actually convinced me to give it a try.

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      It’s pretty clear that Ukraine was close to taking the original offer before Bojo was rushed in to sabotage it. It’s also clear that the only reason war is continuing is because of the west.

      The question you should ask yourself at the end of all this is what the west managed to achieve. Russia will win the war, Ukraine will be forced to accept far worse terms than are currently on the table. In that time many more people will die and have their lives ruined. I guess people like you think this a good outcome.

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        The war is continuing because Putin is continuing it. He could stop it tomorrow. He does not. Because he does not care how many million Russians or Ukrainians die. He simply does not care.

        Anything else is just victim blaming and treating Ukrainians like little children who could not possibly have an opinion of their own.

        Now that I think of it, is it maybe some kind of projection? Russians can’t go to the toilet without first being told by the glorious leader what he thinks about it, so clearly Ukrainians must be the same?

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            Of course it does not change reality. Why would you even think that?

            Do you often have the feeling that writing changes reality?

            Putin chooses the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians regardless of what you or I write.

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                  Overthrowing a democratically elected government in a country to install a fascist regime that sacrifices the country for western interests is definitely a good analogy for rape.

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                    Completely missing the several elections after said overthrowing.

                    The people spoke, and _confirmed_that indeed they did not like the government they overthrew.