• Ayumu Tsukasa @lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    Yupp

    Hey, this isn’t working

    Yeah, we know it sucks

    We should change it

    Oh, absolutely not! that’s crazy talk!

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      More like…

      Hey this isn’t working

      Yes it is, it’s out preforming every other system.

      We should change to other system

      No uprooting our entire system to swap to a system that has failed every time it’s implemented is crazy.

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        “Outperforming” here means extracting as much wealth as possible and consolidating it in the hands of a few. All the while being an absolute detriment to the health of the environment and people it uses to extract said wealth.

        But ya! Outperforming!

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          It can do all that while still generating more wealth for the average person raising their standard of living.

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            Sure buddy. Western standard of living has long been propped up by keeping externalities external. Exploitation is the name of the game

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              Can you give an example of capitalism keeping externalities external so I can understand what you mean here?

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                Environmental damage is a big one. Basically anytime some cost is due, such as pollution, but corporations ignore cleanup, and thus the cost. That bill is still due eventually, and it’s left to others to pay the price

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          “We” being an extremely small subset of the population.

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              Exactly so an extremely small subset of the population. Which is why capitalism is not being abolished and no one cares about criticism of capitalism but people gets annoyed when people start trying to implement other systems.

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                Capitalism won’t be overthrown by just convincing people of better. Capitalism is overthrown when material conditions decline due to issues like the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall.

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    5 months ago

    now now, don’t upset dollar democracy, how else can we change the world if we can’t buy it in the market? All alternatives, nicely packaged to be found in the market.

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    Hey, I’ll get behind any new system proven to work. Issue is, all the currently active systems are just variations of older ones, and Capitalism is simply the best one we’ve had so far.

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        Any long-running system that in most instances makes the lives of most ppl better. I can’t say I’ve done extensive research myself, but when a huge majority of people knowledgeable on the topic say the same thing I’m inclined to take their word for it.

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          Cool, so you should be a Socialist, or should at least do some research on Socialism. Capitalism is generally disqualified by your definition if you take the international effects of Capitalism into consideration as well.