Yeah, there’s plenty of ‘shy’ Tories. By rights, after all they’ve done, they should be reduced to double figures but I am braced for them to only lose a hundred odd seats.
To be honest the dream result for me would them to lose just the right amount for labour to need to form a coalition with the Lib Dems and for the Lib Dems to demand PR as this price.
PR would destroy the Tories for good as the collection of interests that make them up would cause them to split into multiple parties.
Under PR the UK would almost always elect a centre left coalition. The only reason the Tories and the right seem to have so much power is that anyone who wants to vote right pretty much has one option. Whereas left of centre splits between labour, green, lib dem.
We had a chance at this back in 2010. I even voted for the Lib Dems. I know people were sick of Labour at the time, but damn did they fuck up by ConDemning us all.
I would love nothing more than PR, but just like Brexit, you can’t underestimate the will of the British public to continuously vote against their own interests.
Is there a specific proposal for PR? What does that look like? Abolishing constituencies entirely or merging them in fives or something and voting proportionally within that or something else entirely?
I’d like to believe that but if my 14+ on reddit taught me anything it is that the general population are petty, hateful and conformist and so philosophically it’s the ‘One Nation’ Conservatives that they naturally align with.
I don’t think Reddit or FPTP remotely give a good indication. You can see the right normally get sub 50%, but it concentrated on the Conservatives and with FPTP that gives them power. How people would vote in proper system is unknown. Ranked Mixed PR is what I want.
Yeah, there’s plenty of ‘shy’ Tories. By rights, after all they’ve done, they should be reduced to double figures but I am braced for them to only lose a hundred odd seats.
To be honest the dream result for me would them to lose just the right amount for labour to need to form a coalition with the Lib Dems and for the Lib Dems to demand PR as this price.
PR would destroy the Tories for good as the collection of interests that make them up would cause them to split into multiple parties.
Under PR the UK would almost always elect a centre left coalition. The only reason the Tories and the right seem to have so much power is that anyone who wants to vote right pretty much has one option. Whereas left of centre splits between labour, green, lib dem.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the liberals just prop up the tories with a coalition again.
We had a chance at this back in 2010. I even voted for the Lib Dems. I know people were sick of Labour at the time, but damn did they fuck up by ConDemning us all.
I would love nothing more than PR, but just like Brexit, you can’t underestimate the will of the British public to continuously vote against their own interests.
The referendum wasn’t on whether or not we wanted Proportional Representation.
It was do you want the current system or do you want to go over to STV. PR was never on the table.
STV is basically the exact same issue we currently have but slightly more complicated it doesn’t really solve anything.
Is there a specific proposal for PR? What does that look like? Abolishing constituencies entirely or merging them in fives or something and voting proportionally within that or something else entirely?
That why Mixed PR, or even better Ranked Mixed PR, would be an easier switch, as well a better system than pure PR.
What is why what? There is no claim in the post you’re responding to. Only questions.
With PR you lose local MPs. With Mixed Member PR, you keep local MPs. Using rank/score voting, improves that local representation.
I’d like to believe that but if my 14+ on reddit taught me anything it is that the general population are petty, hateful and conformist and so philosophically it’s the ‘One Nation’ Conservatives that they naturally align with.
I don’t think Reddit or FPTP remotely give a good indication. You can see the right normally get sub 50%, but it concentrated on the Conservatives and with FPTP that gives them power. How people would vote in proper system is unknown. Ranked Mixed PR is what I want.