EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell says the West is not supporting Ukraine out of sheer love for its people, but rather for its own interests.
    • @FriendBesto@lemmy.ml
      10•1 month ago

      In fairness, this was always the case. But if you said this, back in 2022, NPCs who could not even find Ukraine on a map weeks prior, would call you a “Putin puppet.” Regardless of valid points or reasoning.

      Not the first time the USA has done this, the war on Iraq, twice, or the decades long Operation Condor, just name some examples.

  • @tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
    9•1 month ago

    How west we talking about? Europe has an existential self-interest, USA has a capitalist military industry profit self-interest. Even going further to the west, China’s involvement serves self-interest.

    • huf [he/him]English
      16•1 month ago

      europe should have absolutely zero self interest in sabotaging its own economy but it’s doing it anyway… the current batch of ghouls leading european countries should have no self interest in boosting the popularity of nazis at their own expense, but they’re doing it anyway…

      • @tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
        -1•1 month ago

        There’s also a ratio of non-nazi civilians which are on the razing path of the bigger fascist country. Europe doesn’t seem to have alternative avenues than to attempt to block it at all costs.

        • huf [he/him]English
          16•1 month ago

          yes, i know that’s the accepted wisdom but i’m not seeing it. and if that were a real fear, then europe has just played itself, because russia is only going to be more likely to attack now that europe has shown itself to be a paper tiger… maybe it would’ve been better to say an absolute no to the idea of ukraine joining nato in 2008 or so. maybe there would still be a ukraine.

              • @tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
                2•1 month ago

                Which attack was that? Couldn’t pinpoint by searching. Anyway, instead of hypothetical dwelling, time machines are not yet functional so the solutions need to be in the now and the future.

                • huf [he/him]English
                  13•1 month ago

                  the EU leadership doesnt seem to be looking for that kind of solution either, they’re just doubling down on what doesnt seem to be working

              • @tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
                -2•1 month ago

                Or doing nothing lead to the current point. Oh well, it’s up to some future generations to look with hindsight

                • TheBroodian [none/use name]English
                  10•1 month ago

                  Literally looking at any fucking moment in the last 100 years would demonstrate that every intervention on the part of the West led exactly to this current moment

                • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]English
                  5•1 month ago

                  We toppled their entire government and replaced them with nazis, as is our method. Then we gave the nazis training and weapons for eight full years while they massacred people in eastern Ukraine. We forced a military response from the next door neighbor because that’s what we wanted to do.